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Rachmaninoff etude op.39/6 fingering help

on: May 10, 2019, 12:46:06 PM

Hi everyone. I'm working on this etude and it's going okay, but I ran into some trouble with regards to fingering in a couple of passages towards the end. I'll be referring to the measure numbers on https://musescore.com/user/454/scores/21648 for your convenience.

1) Measures 103 and 105 of the left hand. I didn't work on this for long but I can't find something that's comfortable and that would work at tempo.

2) Measures 107-109, any suggested fingering for the RH thirds passages? In measure 107, I tried using 45 on DF then starting at the next third I'm using 35 2 45 1 35. I have no idea how this works at tempo but I can't imagine it being really comfortable or reliable.

3) I know it's stupid and I haven't really experimented much, but any ideas on measure 113?

Bonus points if you can give me the fingering you'd use for the first 4 semiquavers of measures 102, 104, and 106. I'm using 5212, 5212, and 5121 respectively.

Appreciate all the help in advance!

By the way, practicing this piece on an upright is a killer. You have to be really really quick with your fingers or those repeated notes won't sound eek

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lostinidlewonder

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Re: Rachmaninoff etude op.39/6 fingering help

Reply #1 on: May 10, 2019, 06:05:19 PM

Gosh it has been a long time but I think:

use 3 as stable point for chromatic runs
103: (51)213 2123 1315
104: (52) 13 14
105: (52)143 1213 1235

107: (45)212 (35)2(35)1 (35)212
108: (45)212 (35)1(24)1 (35)121
109: (45)212 (35)1(24)1 (35)121

use in RH 5212 for all start of 102, 104 and 106, I wouldn't be worried about the thumb on black in this instance.

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Re: Rachmaninoff etude op.39/6 fingering help

Reply #2 on: May 11, 2019, 01:34:07 PM

Thank you for the suggestions! Appreciate it!

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Reply #3 on: May 11, 2019, 04:03:11 PM

You are welcome, I'm sure there are others who can answer also or offer their opinion though when it comes to actual fingering questions many so called experts who are usually quite vocal here all of a sudden become quiet unless its someting like fur elise level ahah lol. Good luck with your study.

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Re: Rachmaninoff etude op.39/6 fingering help

Reply #4 on: May 13, 2019, 04:34:47 AM

I appreciate how annoying it can be with fingering questions because it's very detailed and boring to write, as opposed to having an actual discussion about the music, so I don't blame people for not answering

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Reply #5 on: May 13, 2019, 09:09:27 AM

Yeah you have a point I find it very interesting myself though haha. It’s like piano sodouku rofl 🤣

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Re: Rachmaninoff etude op.39/6 fingering help

Reply #6 on: May 13, 2019, 02:23:01 PM

hahahahah with that said, any discussion or comments on this or any other Rach etudes is encouraged! I'd love to hear your opinions on those etudes.

Funnily enough this is my first Rach etude but I love it so I figured why wait. I'm finding it really fun to practice. Some passages require a lot of acrobatic maneuvering to get right, and there are a lot of passages with the hands over each other which could cause some problems when you first start working on it. The presto is a beast but a lot of fun to practice, a lot of times I have to make sure I'm not getting too excited and rush it because there's a lot of coordination going on between wrist/arm movements and finger movements, IMO. I still don't know how this whole piece is going to turn out at tempo though but so far it's very enjoyable.

Any experiences/thoughts you'd like to share about those etudes?

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Re: Rachmaninoff etude op.39/6 fingering help

Reply #7 on: May 13, 2019, 08:40:08 PM

This is one of the hardest Rach etudes haha. I'm trying to relearn it and the middle section is a nightmare

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Re: Rachmaninoff etude op.39/6 fingering help

Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 09:15:50 PM

Tell me about it! The middle section is crazy. Keeping up the momentum from the meno mosso until the presto is difficult in and of itself, but then Rach throws you some crazy LH jumps and those fast right hand chords. I'm not gonna lie, it's really fun to practice, but it's such a ***** to get right!

Are you having trouble with other parts of the piece? How do you find the outer sections? I just wish the action on my piano was a bit faster so I could nail the repeated notes consistently. I can do them but sometimes I end up doing 1 note instead of 2 in one of the groups, which indicates that's it's my fault since all the others work at tempo, but like there is no mercy with this piano

Does not cut you any slack that's for sure!

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Re: Rachmaninoff etude op.39/6 fingering help

Reply #9 on: May 14, 2019, 10:34:09 PM

Bars 53-58 are my worst enemy hahaha. Also, the repeated notes are a pain if you're not familiar with the instrument. I'm relearning for 1st round of Tchaikovsky competition in June, so I gotta sort it out soon...

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