It would be more beneficial for one to simply enjoy learning about piano, than trying to adhere to some superficial benchmark of mastery in x amount of hours.
I DID believe i could do it.But that positive belief/expectation just led to a relatively poor outcome.
If i can do it, well i should be able to have amazing progress by next week.
Thats the only way people get good.
So why did i try that in the past so many times, but little progress?
I DID believe i could do it.
I believed it would work, but it didn't.
Beliefs don't mean anything.
If i can do it, well i should be able to have amazing progress by next week.Thats the only way people get good.
Another mental trick (which I use all the time) is to imagine you're an absolute beginner. You know nothing. This is especially useful in your case because all of your past experience is hampering you and forcing you down the same alleyways over and over again in your brain. Now, how do you place your hands? How do you run a scale? How do you read music on one line? etc. Just imagine you know nothing, and "teach" yourself everything from scratch again, maybe even over a period of weeks or months. My preferred way to learn is to do this over and over again. It's humbling, but you catch so many things you can improve upon, every time. Strive for true perfection, and note accuracy will come knocking at your doorstep.
I think this comment will go over the heads of many people who have not had a long journey with the piano.
“What I have achieved by industry and practice, anyone else with tolerable natural gift and ability can also achieve.” -- Johann Sebastian Bach
I think the most important thing is learning not to compare oneself to others.In some ways thats impossible.If you are fixated on reaching a "competitive" standard, you must compare to see how you are fairing.And the reality is most people aspire to have somebody elses ability or skill.But there is a time you have to try and blank out those comparisons, particularly if your not well positioned to reach such standards. There does come a time to accept some others are better endowed to accomplish certain things, and its probably best not to aspire to reach similar goals.But you can still continue in your own progression.It seems virtually certain to me that some people are simply not endowed to learn in the same way others are.I dont think its reasonable to assume all people could potentially do all things to a very high standard.With any amount of work or training.There are still many who cling to such beliefs, but i dont think the evidence, or personal experience supports this. But there are probably other less glamorous things I can do that a "talented" person could not do.
There does come a time to accept some others are better endowed to accomplish certain things, and its probably best not to aspire to reach similar goals.But you can still continue in your own progression.It seems virtually certain to me that some people are simply not endowed to learn in the same way others are.I dont think its reasonable to assume all people could potentially do all things to a very high standard.With any amount of work or training.
To me, Quantum’s question to the OP is a great one: What suggestions recommended here have been tried? What was the result?
Also i find learned material atrophies quite fast for me.For example i will notice a significant decline in my ability to play a piece after even a few days without practicing it.This is less so the case for pieces that i know very well.But if i dont play something for 3 months, i have to spend considerable time freshening it up.Some others can mothball a piece for 1 year, come back to it and it's almost like they just left it!
I Guess im progressing, but it seems like others could do it much easier sometimes.Should it take 1 year to work a specific arpeggio from say 38 to 75 bpm, if you practice each day?
I mean i posted that clip, i was practicing at 42 bpm 1/8th notes i think.I am able to work around the 45bpm mark now, but still touch and go at that speed.I pretty much spent an hour a day for idk 3 or 4 weeks to achieve that gain.
At the same time I get the sense that you already know (not think) that nothing we say is right, and you look for counterarguments to support a preconceived idea. That is characteristic of people who may be on the spectrum, mildly or even more so. I know because my family is full of them.
Anyways, that aside, i suppose gradually ratcheting up may not be the best way. Sometimes i just put the metronome 5 or 8 clicks above my maximum, and just force myself to keep pace with the metronome, and ignore any incorrect key strikes, but just focus on maintaining the rythym in time with the metronome at all costs.
It's not the best way but I'm pretty sure you're going to do it anyway. On an efficiency basis it's horrible, it's why you need three hours to get through your practice. Most of those repetitions are material you can play, you're wasting time better spent on other things.Don't put the metronome up a couple clicks - double the speed instead. But play only two notes, or whatever you can manage.
As far as i can see, there is no consensus, even among experts, about how you do in fact go about developing such speed.Already there is a wide range of suggestions.I can't really be efficient when nobody appears to agree what is actually efficient.
Well, kudos for trying it. Even though you were convinced it couldn't work. I still recommend you read what chang says about speed walls, and Bernhard about speed, because there's a mechanical problem here that has you stuck.
Have you thought if something doesn't work its because YOU are not doing it correctly?
Generally speaking, people only practice things they can't do correctly.And if I,M not doing it correctly, WHY am i not doing it correctly as a result of following the instructions of those who apparently do it correctly?
Generally speaking, people only practice things they can't do correctly.
If this was a simple answer then there would be no need for teachers. There are often instances where "you don't know you don't know" that is why I suggested you be very specific with your problems, post bars of music and reveal your fingering solutions and even a video of you attempting the specific part and what challenges you think you are facing within the confines of that musical context.
If one were to follow such knowing, musicians would only practice when they aren't doing the correct things. A whole lot of elite pianists must be doing a whole lot of wrong things because they seem to practice a great deal.Well they do say, you only learn by making mistakes.There no mistakes involved with doing something correctly.The very idea of perfect practice is a paradox.It cant be done and doesn't exist.The only way to progress is attempt things you cant do, which by nature invariably involves doing things incorrectly.
Yes well i did do that earlier.
Well how about this exact issue.How do you shift your hand from one position, to another lateral position in an extremely short period of time, and be certain that 4 fingers all end up on specific notes.How do you eliminate any and all posibility of putting any of your fingers in the wrong position? This should be effortless by now.Absolutely effortless.But its still too difficult once the speed is above a very modest intermediate level.Specifically how do you prevent anything going wrong during these movements? And dont tell me practice this that or the other exercise, drill or whatever, because repeating any form of exercise or drill or process doesn't work.I need a specific set of instructions that my body will follow in order to produce that result. Its no good repeating some movements, and thinking your body or mind will learn the solution, because it doesn't. How do you stop your hands doing different, unpredictable things each time you attempt something.Even when you approach the task the same, something different happens each time.I cant correct things, because what goes wrong changes at each attempt. I cant produce two movements the same twice in a row.So how do you fix that? Maybe i overshoot, maybe i undershoot, maybe you reach the correct note but too early, or too late.All these things can happen by attempting the same motion 2, 3, 10 or 50 times in an identical fashion.I know 4 year old children who dont have those problems.How did they learn to do that? Why cant i understand the answer, but a 4 year old child can, even when we both take the same instructiions and advice?
Well how about this exact issue.How do you shift your hand from one position, to another lateral position in an extremely short period of time, and be certain that 4 fingers all end up on specific notes.How do you eliminate any and all posibility of putting any of your fingers in the wrong position?
O.k, well like the example i posted, how would you learn to increase the tempo of a passage consisting of a series of arpeggios spanning several octaves, which descend, reverse and ascend before shifting to the next scale in the sequence of 4 scales.The entire passage consists of notes of 1 duration.So how do you play that at the required tempo without making a series of errors.I cant really be any more specific.I want to come back in 3 or 4 days time, start the metronome and play that passage 10% faster without errors.Is there some system of practice that yields this result? If there is, its extremely hard to find out about.The correct fingering, memorization is all totally %100 perfected.No problems remembering any aspect or detail of the passage, fingering was established 4 months ago.How do i get faster?
Well they do say, you only learn by making mistakes.There no mistakes involved with doing something correctly.The very idea of perfect practice is a paradox.It cant be done and doesn't exist.The only way to progress is attempt things you cant do, which by nature invariably involves doing things incorrectly.
You will enjoy the process a lot more if you free your mind from your conception of knowing, and focus more on learning and expanding. As has been observed earlier, your responses suggest you are very set in your ways and knowing, and that may be a part of what is hampering your progress.
I am as it happens focused on learning.Why would i go around asking everybody for ideas, reading about, and watching about the topic, if i was not focussed on learning? Maybe i don't learn, but that doesn't mean im not focused on it.