Well i guess the problem there, is each "thing" might require 30 hours, so 750 hours total to go through and test what outcome these things can bring about.So we soon come back to this realization that no, you can't just spend a week or 2 or 3 on some skill, and see real improvement.That just doesn't seem realistic, but i'm still told i should see real improvement quickly once i work out what is missing from the picture here.Just that it might take hundreds of hours trying one thing after the other. That doesn't seem to be how a lot of other learners go about making amazing progress in no time flat.Did it take you 1000 hours to learn to play an arpeggio at that speed? If not, i assume you didn't go through a process of deciphering not always clearly defined concepts, implementing those concepts over a period of time, measuring the result, before moving on to the next concept, and the next so on and so forth.We still can't seem to describe a time efficient process here.
Can you advise exercises that will work, or not? You've seen my hands, so tell me why they can't play an arpeggio.
Also you never asked me to post another video, you simply asked that i reduced the creeping(which was minimal anyways) which i subsequently did.
Please post a video of you doing exactly as we asked, I will happily point out your errors again to show you it is your own fault not the advice.
Ill just work with the instructor who can make absolutely certain i do everything correct.Hes better qualified than anybody on this forum.
Do you normally just continually deflect blame to the student, who can't make the progress you want to be true.I think its a bit dangerous forcing down the throat of students who can't progress, even when they are retarded and brain damaged, that they can't accomplish wonders with the right practice.Accuse them of lying about their practice.Do you always accuse your flagging students of lying about their practice habits, so you can force blame onto them?
Bold claims. You better be able to present verifiable evidence to back that up.
It is the student to blame, if they cannot follow a set of rules and conditions aimed to improve them then they are reaching a limitation in that area and should look elsewhere for more beneficial improvements. You fail to realize that there are much more worthy ambitions in music than just trying technical pieces you cannot manage. Each individual has a different coordination ability and mental capacity to think in a musical way. You are trying to understand how people learn the piano and this is quite specialist knowledge, so without any actual experience you can only ever really say what YOU experience.
You are contradicting yourself.On one hand you are certain i will improve if i follow your instructions, yet you just said people have inherited limitations that might prevent progress, in which case look elsewhere for improvement i.e go back to easier material.
Basically your saying its entirely impossible to train everybody to master that level of skill, at least within a reasonable time frame, yet you appear completely intolerant of the notion that i may be unable to play it, immediately condemning the method, rather than considering the probability that it simply cant be done within a reasonable time frame due to any number of factors not related to the method.
You did not answer the question. Rather you place another level of unrealistic expectation on top of your request for "25 specific things." Yet you follow with:If we give you exercises will you actually follow the instructions? Or will you continue to carry on as you please?
You don’t even know what contradicting means, certainly demonstrated by this example where there are no contradictions at all, just your irrational thinking.The practice methods suggested will emulate closer to the required technique you are lacking. So if you cannot manage it then you merely are trying something that’s too difficult for you. We were not asked to judge if the material you were learning was too difficult which it obviously is since you story tells us you waste hundreds of hours on it with little benefit. You obviously could not pass a simple method request without error which was already shown by the videos you deleted, you too embarrassed to show your mistakes lol. Of course it’s impossible to train everyone to be a master that has already been established. You continue to ignore however that it is an utterly shallow endeavour to just study the piano because you want to master or or become an expert at it. It’s quite idiotic.Your method was clearly wrong and you so arrogantly believed through the whole video talking that you were so perfect lol. So it’s obvious you can’t use the advice correctly, your fault no one else’s. Most people once they do it correct as advised notice immediate results, too bad you are in the helpless group who need a lot of assistance.
You can’t even do one method we suggest correct and you want to try more hahahaha. Illogical much??
Yes, o.k.My fault that you told me to shift my hand between chord positions, and my interperetation of that wasn't exactly inline with yours.I get it.
Why are you so eager to prove i do the method correct, given that ultimately ill just be going back to slower material anyway.Its not like your going to have your chance to prove following your method made me improve soo much.Ill just ending going back too easier stuff.Its not going to prove to me the right method is what has eluded me all this time.
Its done correctly, i thought we established that.And when its done to your satisfaction, and nothing improves, can we consider that what you thought was "correct" may not actually be correct?
Lol it ended with you deleted videos where you were running off your mouth how perfect you were but you were making all these errors. You deleted these videos and showed nothing else. So from what we have seen you are still wrong. Go ahead and post more, I’m not going to correct you though, it’s been established you require someone to assist you during the process, go ask your top class teacher who is better than everyone else here right?
If you have listened to the videos, i never indicated i was perfect, but rather that i was garbage after listening to your advice, and to show none of you had any idea what was wrong.Your advice does nothing to rectify any of it.
You didn't address any of the things that were wrong.
You suggested jumps, quantum suggested a specific fingering.The videos showed clearly that "jumping chords" was a useless way to address the shortcomings, which are clearly physical and neurological in nature.None of your useless exercises do anything.Thats just a simple fact.
What qualification do you think you have anyway? A masters degree? What are you even giving me advice for.You already said you cant diagnose problems over the forum, so get a teacher.Surprise surprise i already had perfectly good teachers in the past, and surprise surprise it didn't result in a good and effective learning process.
The whole thread from the very start was about advancing to a higher level.You beat around the bush for 8 pages spinning B.S about practice method, to end up simply admitting that "some students are just hopeless". So why are you demanding i do your methods correctly, when you already know im hopeless, therefore the method is useless??? Why insist i implement the method correctly, when you know hopeless students dont learn from any one method or another.Why are you beating about the bush.Your an idiot.Dont send me a P.M telling me you can help, when you know damn well half the time the problems are inherited and nothing can be done about it. You've no idea.Your methods are crap.Jam them up your arse.theyre not work a pinch of dog dun.
This forum is crap.Waste of time even coming on here.Waste of time even learning an instrument.Most stupid *** idea i ever had even attempting it.Should burn it and just eat hot dogs and watch television instead.Ill be just as productive.
I didn't actually place unrealistic expectations. Spending 30 hours on an exercise is unrealistic? Really.Hmm, i dont think so. Is expecting me to do a basic excercise perfectly, and then have me perform some passage much better within a handfull of hours realistic? Definately not. Its going to take a whole lot more than you picking and picking at the method, and me doing, adjusting , redoing and readjusting to your satisfaction, before you see any real gain.Are you looking for that triumph moment where you say "see i told you, now look how fast your doing that arpeggio, and it only took a few hours to get there"? I think you want to be able to rub it in that finally i prove i can do it, and you have you little "told you so" moment. Its not going to happen too easy, and not within a time frame you think it might.Thats all im saying
Its going to take a whole lot more than you picking and picking at the method, and me doing, adjusting , redoing and readjusting to your satisfaction, before you see any real gain.
I think you want to be able to rub it in that finally i prove i can do it, and you have you little "told you so" moment. Its not going to happen too easy, and not within a time frame you think it might.Thats all im saying
If you have listened to the videos, i never indicated i was perfect, but rather that i was garbage after listening to your advice, and to show none of you had any idea what was wrong.
The correct fingering, memorization is all totally %100 perfected.No problems remembering any aspect or detail of the passage, fingering was established 4 months ago.How do i get faster?
The very idea of perfect practice is a paradox.It cant be done and doesn't exist.
It's not just in the deleted videos.Previously stated:
What do you mean not "just" in the deleted videos.It wasn't in the deleted videos at all......You and Listinthewander BOTH misinterpereted the sentiment of the videos.
Anyway, im over the blame game.Whatever, i didn't follow the instructions o.k.There you have it.
How old are you? I thought trying to make fun of someone's name finished in primary school? Here's an idea stop your story telling and restore your deleted videos, oh dear if you do that we will see your hissy fit saying constantly you are perfect while doing errors. Your deleted videos are ample evidence that you are insincere in your wish to improve. You just totally ignored rondes helpful contribution too, good job!An utterly arrogant sarcastic attitude where one believes they are so perfect and everyone else is wrong. No one can help you on that one mate.
I didnt make fun of your name, that was a typing error(smatphone keyboard)
I also read and considered rondes contribution.Dont assume i ignored it because i didn't respond directly to it. Again with the assumptions, about this that and the other.Hardly surprising i have a fit. Not surprising at all really.
What do you mean not "just" in the deleted videos.It wasn't in the deleted videos at all.As far as the quote you pasted saying i had it MEMORIZED 100%, which i do/did.None of the errors are due to me forgetting what comes next.I also said the fingering was correct.Well there is not just one acceptable fingering for a passage, but the one i had settled on was the same as used by the original author of that arrangement.And they managed to play to an exemplary standard with that fingering.So yes, i was essintially correct about the particular aspects i said i was correct about.There may have been other errors of technique, but i never said i could perform the technique correctly.In fact i particulary EMPHASIZED that it was hopeless to pull off any of it with the required speed or accuracy.Out of that you managed to form the opinion that i was big noting myself for not being able to do it.You and Listinthewander BOTH misinterpereted the sentiment of the videos.
As far as the quote you pasted saying i had it MEMORIZED 100%, which i do/did.
You continue to avoid answering the question, if people here give you exercises or techniques on how to solve your technical dilemma, will you follow the instructions? Or will you continue to do as you please?Ronde has given good advice. Post a video of yourself doing the exercise so you can receive feedback.
Well o.k. When i have time i will.
I've not been very active here of late, but I'm going to make an observation and a suggestion.Quantum gave good advice about block chords. I suspect your problem is to do with the hand movement between positions. I assume you can attain reasonable velocity in broken chords: by this I mean playing G, B, D in the rh with the fingers independent and in rapid succession.If not, this will need to be addressed before moving to the next stage. I agree that it is important to be clear about what fingering is being used, and to use it consistently.In the G maj example, let's suppose that we want to expand the rapid breaking of the triad to a wider range of notes. I would suggest that a very useful exercise would be to play the G, B, D chord with the rh, notes in unison. Then release the G and, while *still holding down* the B and D, practice swinging the thumb up to the next G, an octave above where it started. You need to pass the thumb under the main section of the hand. Some arm rotation and movement will facilitate this. This should prove good preparation for the movements you will need to play fast, fluent arpeggios, and when it comes to doing this with facility, you will find that you need appreciably less arm rotation than in this preparatory exercise. Don't do this obsessively, five minutes at a time should be enough. Stop if you find discomfort, though you shouldn't."All" (sic) that is needed to master fluid arpeggiation is the correct fingering and fluid movement between hand positions, of which you only need one change per octave. It is one of those things which can seem very difficult until mastered, yet once mastered it becomes easy.
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Something I used to do was block out my hand, so every time my hand shifted positions all of my fingers were in position as if I was ready to play a chord. This led to a lot of tension (and wrong notes) especially at higher tempi. You really want the hand to be supple and to be able to sound each note in the way you desire, which you can't do with ease if you're doing something like blocking out your hand, which makes individual articulation of notes more difficult and any inaccuracy in hand extension leading to wrong notes.
Actually, that's something I've never considered: as a long-time "blocker," it's served me well, but that may be one of the roots of my discomfort at playing very close arpeggios at high speed.
Another thing is that arpeggios require very detailed movements. Something I used to do was block out my hand, so every time my hand shifted positions all of my fingers were in position as if I was ready to play a chord. This led to a lot of tension (and wrong notes) especially at higher tempi.
I think it is important not to forget that blocking arpeggios is rather an important skill to understand and utilise. It is not going to completely solve all issues but it certainly assists many parts required to improve them, notably general position/fingering control, note memorisation, feeling of progression between positional movements. Even basic arpeggios require efficiency of the movement which extends beyond mere blocking of positions, although ideas/improvements which extenuates/develop from the blocking does set one up for appropriate and specific improvement. Depending on the type of arpeggio you are working on blocking will have limited use, certainly for much larger arpeggios or more complicated patterns, its use needs to be segmented between other arpeggio control techniques, moving the hand, raising finger, playing at different angle to the finger tips, finger/wrist synergy etc. A general practice tool is blocking out positions though and it should never be disregarded, certainly not for a student developing their practice methodology.
Well heres a video of me using a couple of the methods.So i dont know, tell me what im supposed to be doing different.At the end i play the whole series of arpegs in 5 or 6 different chords which is the last paragraph of that song, so you can kind of see where im at.That is at 46 on the metronome, the prescribed is 60.I can just do it at 46, but it's really pushing the limits, and touch and go to be able to play it without errors.
It also looks like you rush and do everything a bit impatiently, causing mistakes, which doesn't help.
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