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Topic: how to execute a ornament on different note durations  (Read 411 times)

Offline claudexavier

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This table (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Tableofornaments750.jpg) shows how to execute different ornaments. All ornaments in this table are defined on a quarter note. I should like to know if I have to execute a ornament on a 8th or a 16th note do I execute the ornament at the same way (exactly as disproved in mentioned table) or if I execute a ornament on a 8th note do I use notes which are two times faster than I executed it on a quarter note?

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Offline lelle

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Re: how to execute a ornament on different note durations
Reply #1 on: March 16, 2022, 06:31:10 PM
Those examples are not literal in terms of note values or the amount of times you repeat the trilling pattern (C-D). You can do more or fewer depending on the context, as long as you include the start and end indicated by the trilling symbol. So it's not literally always 32-nd notes, but just fast notes, based on taste and how many notesfit within the alloted time.

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Re: how to execute a ornament on different note durations
Reply #2 on: March 16, 2022, 07:04:17 PM
Does it not matter for the use of the length of the notes of the thrill, on which note you have to make a thrill?
So for a thrill on a, quarter, a 8th, a 16th etc, all notes from the thrill have the same length. They must be fast. Only the amount of notes is dependant of the available time. Do I understand it now right?

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Re: how to execute a ornament on different note durations
Reply #3 on: March 18, 2022, 08:19:52 PM
I would focus on making the trill for the duration of the note and make the exit so that the next note falls in the right place.
I don't think it's that important how many notes are in the trill, that depends on how fast or slow you want it to sound, you can add or take more cycles to fit the duration.
I'd be more worried on making it even and musical and phrase it so the sound fits what I want for whatever context it is in. And also on how I would go into and especially out of the trill.

If you are aiming to do it in a specific aesthetic like say baroque music you can also do some research to find out if they had any rules or trends at that time on how to perform them so you can capture that specific sound. If it's in Jazz or Blues you can pretty much do whatever you want.
You can also listen to recordings and try to figure out what other people do. Different performers will probably have different ways to make trills.
I am perfectly normal, it is everyone else who is strange.
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