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Offline ordinateur

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Concerto Help
on: April 10, 2022, 02:19:42 PM
Hi all,

First sorry for the long post. I want to give as much info as possible to get the best help as possible!

I am an incoming college freshman this upcoming school year (2022-23) and will be attending Cornell University. While I am not majoring in music at Cornell, I still plan to keep it as a central part of my education and life for that matter.

Every year Cornell has a concerto competition. I plan on throwing my hat in the ring for this. With that said, I have never played a concerto but have performed in a wide variety of ensembles and accompany many soloists on their instruments. I lead my own saxophone quartet who consistently recieves the top award at local evaluations, a woodwind choir, and am conducting/playing keyboard in a pit orchestra for the musical Catch me if you Can at a local theater. I am also an avid bassoon player/admirer and perform in my school's ensembles. To give you a scale of my piano abilities, I'll list some of my repertoire below:

Solo Works:
Ravel:
Gaspard de la Nuit - Ondine
Sonatine
Prokofiev:
Sarcasms mov. 1
Toccata op. 11
Haydn:
Hob 50, 52, and 49
Liszt:
Paganini Etudes no 5 and 3
Vallee d'obermann
Mephisto Waltz 1
Bartok
Suite op 14
And many others
Ensembles:
Beethoven Trio for Clarinet and Cello in B-flat major
Poulenc Sextet
Jaques Ibert Concertino da Camera
Many wind ensemble accompanist pieces (Traveller by Maslanka, Aurora Awakes by Mackey, etc.)
Piano Four Hands:
Ravel Ma Mere L'oye
Poulenc Sonata for Four Hands
Kapustins Sinfonietta

I also sacreligioisly performed the harp part Mahler's Adagietto from his 5th Symphony on the piano with my school district's honors orchestra ensemble.

All of that just to give you a scale of my abilities as a soloist and ensemble member. I have a few recordings as well that I'll link below.

I was thinking about trying one of the following for concertos:
Prokofiev No. 3
Moszkowski Op. 59
Ravel Concerto in G Major
Kapustin Concerto no. 2

I adore Prokofiev's concerto and seeing that I'm very good with highly rhythmic pieces of music, I think it might be doable. I honestly don't know many other concertos at my level (only of course the most famous), but these ones have been on my mind for quite some time now. I'm looking for any suggestions you may feel is within my skill range.

Thank you so much!

First link is to a playlist from my four hand piano competition. The others are Ondine and Haydn Hob 50. I'm aware they're still messy. They're still a work in progress!




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Offline nightwindsonata

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Re: Concerto Help
Reply #1 on: April 10, 2022, 10:36:31 PM
*when you've been attending music school for four years and still have a resume that's less impressive than a freshman non-music-major ...

I listened to a bit of the Ravel. That's such a hard piece! You have some moments of difficulty, but also a very nice sound. I recommend you look very closely at the Ravel Piano Concerto, it's quite a bit less difficult than the Gaspard IMO, and it's also very rhythmic in nature (especially the first movement), but also with a lot of opportunities for expression. However, the Prokofiev is also a very strong choice. I recently discussed this exact topic with a professor at University of North Texas (Joseph Banowetz), who recommended I look at the Liszt 1st Concerto and the Prokofiev 3rd. I don't have the balls to play Prokofiev, but I think you definitely might, with that amount of repertoire.

The main problem with the Prokofiev, actually, is not the solo part--it's finding an accompanist competent enough to play the orchestra part, which is among one of the most difficult accompaniment parts that a pianist can get.

I would also recommend you look at the Khachaturian Concerto. A good friend of mine played it for the capstone of his DMA last year, and won a number of competitions with it. It's a great piece, very rhythmic, but not well known.

Here is the video of his winning performance:



Hope this helps!

1st-year Master's Program:
- Ravel Piano Concerto
- Liszt Ricordanza
- Liszt 3 Liebestraums
- Liszt 3 Sonnets

- Rhapsody in Blue
- Dante Sonata
- Schubert Sonata D.780
- Mozart Piano Quartet in Gm

Offline ordinateur

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Re: Concerto Help
Reply #2 on: April 11, 2022, 02:20:04 AM
*when you've been attending music school for four years and still have a resume that's less impressive than a freshman non-music-major ...

Thank you so much for your reply!

I love Liszt's first concerto, but a student actually just performed it for last year's competition at Cornell! It's popular.

Any experience with Kapustin's work? It's so unconventional I'm leaning towards looking further into his second concerto. It's very different but honestly I don't know how difficult it is.

Ravel is another good choice. I'll have to talk to my teacher a little more about my options and see what he has to say.

Thanks for the feedback on the recording too by the way. It's very challenging. I recently put Gaspard away for a little while to let it percolate in the back of my mind. I'll probably come back to it sometime in the next year and improve the middle section. So difficult to get those weird thirds clean!

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Re: Concerto Help
Reply #3 on: April 11, 2022, 05:11:28 AM
I actually don't know Kapustin that well. I glanced at his second concerto--it sounds like Gershwin x10. Not quite my taste but it's good music--I find it more interesting as a composer than as a pianist, but if you like it I say go for it. The real trick with these things is determining if the conductor is willing to play something that's off the beaten path--unlike solo rep, where it's easy (and recommended) to play unknown stuff, it's much more difficult to get orchestra gigs with obscure concertos, since the orchestra and conductor both have to learn a whole new piece, wheras something popular like the Prokofiev, Ravel, or Liszt will already be known by the orchestra/conductor.
1st-year Master's Program:
- Ravel Piano Concerto
- Liszt Ricordanza
- Liszt 3 Liebestraums
- Liszt 3 Sonnets

- Rhapsody in Blue
- Dante Sonata
- Schubert Sonata D.780
- Mozart Piano Quartet in Gm

Offline ordinateur

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Re: Concerto Help
Reply #4 on: April 11, 2022, 11:22:00 AM
The real trick with these things is determining if the conductor is willing to play something that's off the beaten

That makes sense. The Cornell Symphony is the orchestra that you perform with if you win. They're pretty good, but most of the winners have played famous pieces like Prokofiev 3, Rach 2, Grieg. I'll probably email the director and see what she says.
Thanks again
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