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Topic: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial  (Read 1309 times)

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Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
on: April 18, 2022, 04:51:05 PM
Hi everyone,
Here is my new tutorial on Chopinís Nocturne in E-flat major. I cover each section by hands separate & both hands. I also give my take on phrasing, pedaling, timing, and the musical message. You can find the free sheet music with my fingerings in the description. I hope you enjoy the video. Good luck!
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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #1 on: April 18, 2022, 11:30:05 PM
I appreciate the work put into the video, but I wonder if you'd want to benefit us with your company and insight via posting answers to peoples thread in the forum as well? Right now it feels like you are mostly here to advertise, not contribute.

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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #2 on: April 19, 2022, 12:26:08 AM
I must admit lelle, given how much detail and care he's put into his videos about the fundamentals of learning the pieces he posts, I actually think they're quite beneficial.

Yes, it would also be great to have his input into other posts where there are students looking for advice from pianists of our expertise, but I can't say I dislike antune's videos in any way. I still think though that the unfixed cam can make people a little nauseated though - especially when you have the music perfectly aligned with the top of the screen, but the piano twists and rotates frequently.

Check 19:30 compared with 0:50...

Also, I think between 17:25 and 17:40, you skip half a bar... twice. That couldn't be done as a single segment... did you really have to cut those 4 beats out since it was all part of one larger phrase?

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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #3 on: April 19, 2022, 06:31:28 AM
I appreciate the work put into the video, but I wonder if you'd want to benefit us with your company and insight via posting answers to peoples thread in the forum as well? Right now it feels like you are mostly here to advertise, not contribute.

Thank you for the comment.
I understand that you don't see my input as enough of a contribution, but I have answered or posted in other threads here from time to time. Perhaps you find it not frequent enough, which I understand, but I have to say, I often read threads and check people's answers, and I like to say something when I feel like I could make a difference or if I think I could help. Not to repeat what other people say or know.
I find the word "advertising" too strong because, honestly, I don't get many youtube views when I post my videos here.
Please take a look at my posts if you have a minute, and you'll see that I've answered threads where I think what I did was a contribution.
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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #4 on: April 19, 2022, 06:44:54 AM
I must admit lelle, given how much detail and care he's put into his videos about the fundamentals of learning the pieces he posts, I actually think they're quite beneficial.

Yes, it would also be great to have his input into other posts where there are students looking for advice from pianists of our expertise, but I can't say I dislike antune's videos in any way. I still think though that the unfixed cam can make people a little nauseated though - especially when you have the music perfectly aligned with the top of the screen, but the piano twists and rotates frequently.

Check 19:30 compared with 0:50...

Also, I think between 17:25 and 17:40, you skip half a bar... twice. That couldn't be done as a single segment... did you really have to cut those 4 beats out since it was all part of one larger phrase?

Thank you for the comment. I am happy to hear you find my videos beneficial.
Last week I purchased a new camera (I haven't used it in this video), with a better stabilization mode. I hope there will be way fewer people who can feel nausea. I am still learning a lot about editing, so I hope it will improve soon.
I skipped a half bar because I wanted to match what I said with what we heard from the piano. To make it clear what I am talking about exactly. But maybe it didn't come out how I wanted. Did you find it strange that it suddenly cuts in the middle of the bar? I thought it would be OK to miss it because I demonstrated it in a few seconds anyway, but maybe I shouldn't have.
All the best

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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #5 on: April 19, 2022, 07:05:03 AM
Did you find it strange that it suddenly cuts in the middle of the bar? I thought it would be OK to miss it because I demonstrated it in a few seconds anyway, but maybe I shouldn't have.

Given the phrase (if I'm not mistaken) is only 4 bars long, and you literally played 3 out of the 4 bars, the cuts did seem quite odd in this instance. Given the cut notes might have only extended the video by 3 or 4 seconds, I didn't think the cuts were really necessary - they sound very sudden compared to a lot of the other phrases where you don't just truncate them. It's like those videos of people blogging where there are so many cuts and trims during their speech that it sounds a little choppy, even though grammatically what they are saying makes sense.

The me, the cut content was so minute that I didn't think it was worth removing. A lot of what you do is quite brilliantly concise but methodically presented that if these sudden chops are put in - it's quite jarring.

Just listen to that little 15 second segment and ask if it wasn't just worth having a second or two of silence between what you needed to say in order to let the music flow better in the video. It's such a well known piece that it's glaringly obvious when something is skipped.

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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #6 on: April 19, 2022, 07:25:58 AM
The me, the cut content was so minute that I didn't think it was worth removing. A lot of what you do is quite brilliantly concise but methodically presented that if these sudden chops are put in - it's quite jarring.

Just listen to that little 15 second segment and ask if it wasn't just worth having a second or two of silence between what you needed to say in order to let the music flow better in the video. It's such a well known piece that it's glaringly obvious when something is skipped.

Fair enough. Other youtube videos might have influenced me for doing that but yes, making a tutorial video is a pretty different world in comparison to vlogging videos. I was in doubt about cutting or not for quite a long time while editing, and I had to make a decision at the end. But I will keep that in mind for next time. Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #7 on: April 19, 2022, 04:36:18 PM
Though I agree contributing can be beneficial, I think posting the videos is an equally helpful way of contributing to the community. These videos are in depth and go over the entirety of the pieces they cover. It takes a lot of time and effort to make such polished videos, and it's especially impressive when it's made by a small creator. The amount of free knowledge in your videos gives you a pass for not posting as frequently in the forum in my opinion.
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Bach BWV 914
Beethoven Op. 58
Reger Op. 24 No. 5
Rachmaninoff Op. 39 No. 3 & No. 5

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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #8 on: April 19, 2022, 07:14:13 PM
The amount of free knowledge in your videos gives you a pass for not posting as frequently in the forum in my opinion.
Thank you for saying that. Since I started creating videos, my main philosophy has been to make them available to anyone for free. And they will always be for free. I've spent 200+ hours on the script, recording, editing, and sheet music for this specific video. I believe this is the best contribution I can make.

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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #9 on: April 19, 2022, 09:13:32 PM
Reading some of the comments in this thread I take back what I said. I think your videos are indeed well done, and that you should continue contributing them here! They'll be useful for many users here to watch.

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Re: Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 | In-depth Tutorial
Reply #10 on: April 19, 2022, 11:20:13 PM
Reading some of the comments in this thread I take back what I said. I think your videos are indeed well done, and that you should continue contributing them here! They'll be useful for many users here to watch.

I appreciate it, thank you!
 

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