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sallycake10

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Faure Nocturne Op.33 no.2

on: May 18, 2025, 02:24:37 PM

How should the triplet passages in Faure's Nocturne op. 33 no. 2 be counted in time while also being played very smoothly?Thank you very much!!🙏🏻🙏🏻

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lelle

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I don't fully understand what you are having trouble with, can you clarify a bit? 16th note triplets = three notes per normal eighth note. You have the eighth note pulse going steadily at the start of the first bar in the picture. Just fit the triplets into that existing pulse. Maybe you can be slightly elastic with the tempo on the triplets as it is a decorative figuration.

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Re: Faure Nocturne Op.33 no.2

Reply #2 on: May 19, 2025, 07:01:00 AM

As I grouped five notes into one pattern (starting from the D# in the right hand, using fingerings 21235), however, every time the D# falls on a different beat, it's difficult for me to count 3 notes in one group accurately.

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Re: Faure Nocturne Op.33 no.2

Reply #3 on: May 19, 2025, 12:17:48 PM

So if I understand you, the issue is kind of that you play notes in groups of five in terms of the fingering, but the actual rhythmic division of the notes is in groups of three, and that confuses your brain?

If so, I'd practice very slowly and make quite a strong accent on every 16th note that lines up with an 8th note (i e, consider the 8th notes the beats and make an accent on each beat). And I mean VERY slowly, so you have time to mentally check 1) which note, 2) which finger and 3) accent or no accent before you actually play the note, on each note of the passage. Once that no longer trips you up and you start feeling confident, reduce it to a softer accent, and then finally just play it smoothly.

Does that help?

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Re: Faure Nocturne Op.33 no.2

Reply #4 on: May 19, 2025, 12:49:34 PM

Quote from: sallycake10 on May 19, 2025, 07:01:00 AM

As I grouped five notes into one pattern (starting from the D# in the right hand, using fingerings 21235), however, every time the D# falls on a different beat, it's difficult for me to count 3 notes in one group accurately.

Do you really mean 21235? Or do you mean 212345 ? I would have thought, just like the LH, the thumb would fall on the E.

I can kind of see why you may be having difficulties. Fingering in fives, music in threes, L and R hand not synchronised. Faure is often much more difficult than it first appears.

As lelle says, slow slow practise, for several days. Otherwise it will fall apart if you ever perform or play for your teacher (I see you are looking for a teacher).

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sallycake10

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Re: Faure Nocturne Op.33 no.2

Reply #5 on: May 19, 2025, 02:31:08 PM

Quote from: lelle on May 18, 2025, 07:59:14 PM

I don't fully understand what you are having trouble with, can you clarify a bit? 16th note triplets = three notes per normal eighth note. You have the eighth
note pulse going steadily at the start of the first bar in the picture. Just fit the triplets into that existing pulse. Maybe you can be slightly elastic with the
tempo on the triplets as it is a decorative figuration.

Okay, I will try, thanks so much!!

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lelle

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Re: Faure Nocturne Op.33 no.2

Reply #6 on: May 20, 2025, 06:00:30 AM

Let us know how it goes!

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