breakdown of 10/4

[BoliverAllmon]

ok, so I thought I would give a shot at analyzing and breaking down a piece into sections. I decided on 10/4 simply because of all the talk about this piece. anyways. this is what I figured out so far, tell me what you think.

Breakdown of 10/4

Session 1: 1-3
Session 2: 4-7
Session 3: 8-11
Session 4 : 12-16
Session 5: 17-20
Session 6: 21-24
Session 7: 25-26
Session 8: 27-29
Session 9: 30-33
Session 10: 34-36
Session 11: 37-39
Session 12: 40-41
Session 13 42-43
Session 14: 44-47
Session 15: 48-51
Session 16: 52-55
Session 17: 56-58
Session 18: 59-61
Session 19: 62-65
Session 20: 66-71
Session 21: 72-74
Session 22: 75-77
Session 23: 78-83


boliver

[pianomann1984]

Wow!  Too many sections!  It depends on your speed of learning and how you prefer tackling such things, of course, but I studied this piece in a couple of weeks for my teacher in the following sections:

1)    Bars 1-16 (studied with bars 51-66 for similarity)
2)    Bars 17-32
3)    Bars 33-50
4)    Bars 67-End

I prefer myself to study works in big structural blocks, so I can get a feel for the overall shape as I study the smaller sections in more detail.

[steinwayguy]

I don't think that there is any question this piece is broken up into three sections and a coda, in A-B-A format, like most of the Etudes: bars 1-26, 27-50, 51-end

[pianomann1984]

This is true, but those sections seemed just a little to large to handle at the time.

[BoliverAllmon]

Wow!  Too many sections!  It depends on your speed of learning and how you prefer tackling such things, of course, but I studied this piece in a couple of weeks for my teacher in the following sections:

1)    Bars 1-16 (studied with bars 51-66 for similarity)
2)    Bars 17-32
3)    Bars 33-50
4)    Bars 67-End

I prefer myself to study works in big structural blocks, so I can get a feel for the overall shape as I study the smaller sections in more detail.

you can do those sections in 15 min?

[pianomann1984]

[steinwayguy]

you can do those sections in 15 min?

Yes because you shouldn't have to practice the entire section during those 15 minutes, only about four bars of the right hand and four bars of the left hand, maybe more, maybe less.

[pianomann1984]

you can do those sections in 15 min?

Well no.  The whole point of dividing it up is so I can devote more time to details.  I would spend half-an-hour to an hour a day on each section.  If I spent just 15 mins, I would study the whole piece in just an hour, which is just not enough time to study in detail.

[etudes]

ok, so I thought I would give a shot at analyzing and breaking down a piece into sections. I decided on 10/4 simply because of all the talk about this piece. anyways. this is what I figured out so far, tell me what you think.

Breakdown of 10/4

Session 1: 1-3
Session 2: 4-7
Session 3: 8-11
Session 4 : 12-16
Session 5: 17-20
Session 6: 21-24
Session 7: 25-26
Session 8: 27-29
Session 9: 30-33
Session 10: 34-36
Session 11: 37-39
Session 12: 40-41
Session 13 42-43
Session 14: 44-47
Session 15: 48-51
Session 16: 52-55
Session 17: 56-58
Session 18: 59-61
Session 19: 62-65
Session 20: 66-71
Session 21: 72-74
Session 22: 75-77
Session 23: 78-83


boliver

quite good idea but we should overlap every section with the first note of the new section???
so it would be
session 1 : pick up beat untill first note of bar 4
something like these?

[BoliverAllmon]

Well no.  The whole point of dividing it up is so I can devote more time to details.  I would spend half-an-hour to an hour a day on each section.  If I spent just 15 mins, I would study the whole piece in just an hour, which is just not enough time to study in detail.

the sections are suppose to be small enough that you master them in 15 min.

[pianomann1984]

the sections are suppose to be small enough that you master them in 15 min.

U never said anything about studying in 15 mins!   I wouldnt try to study in any sections in 15 mins.  If I'm going to spend that little time, i'd be better off going bar-by-bar, i think.  But, minute, by minute, it looks like your plan and mine would actually take about the same time to cover the whole piece.  In the end it's just a preference of a way of practicing.

[BoliverAllmon]

U never said anything about studying in 15 mins!   I wouldnt try to study in any sections in 15 mins.  If I'm going to spend that little time, i'd be better off going bar-by-bar, i think.  But, minute, by minute, it looks like your plan and mine would actually take about the same time to cover the whole piece.  In the end it's just a preference of a way of practicing.

I am trying to think in Bernhard's method.

[pianomann1984]

Ah...ok. I'm not familiar with this method.  Can someone direct me to a thread?

[SDL]

Piannomann take a look here for starters.  Ive tried this 20 min thing and I can't stick to it but alot of my pieces are big and I can't leave a passage alone after 20mins if Im getting somewhere.  I did try the cycling on 10/2 which worked for me.  What do you think?


https://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8335.msg84684.html#msg84684
(circular movements to avoid co-contraction)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3371.msg30141.html#msg30141
(zoom-zoom –  all about speed playing)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3778.msg35061.html#msg35061
(Speed: discussion about gradually speeding up with a metronome or using Chang’s approach)