Question for Bernhard, Mound about Repeated Note Groups, HS? HT?

[ShiroKuro]

Afte reading  various things, including these two threads:

https://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4858.0.html
(Pauls Plan to Try It Himself. For Bernhard ) This is Mound's thread about putting Bernhard's method to use.

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2449.msg21217/topicseen.html#msg21217
(Czerny study op. 740 no. 2 (arpeggio study in G))  Bernhard describes the repeated note group method very clearly in this thread.
 
I think I understand repeated note groups, but one question I have is, can you use this method HT, or only HS?

Another question is, how do you set the limit of a group? By a passage? I am working on a Tarantella, in 6/8 time, with basically two sets of three eighth notes per bar. If I wanted to use the repeated note groups method to practice this, I won't do just one set of three eighth notes would I?  Of course, since the note group starts with just two notes, in the beginning I would, but..

I guess what I don't understand is when people talk about repeated note groups and they write note 1 note 2 note 3 etc like this:
123456789

So the first round of practice would be:
12
23
34
45
56
67
78
89

And then on to groups of three notes and so on. But my question is, how did you know to stop at the 9th note? Is it because maybe that's one passage and then it repeats itself? Is that how I would pick the number of notes?

Actually, I would like to post a few measures from the score here, can someone tell me how to do this? (I can scan the score in using my scanner)

This piece, which is MM 138 for the dotted quarter, starts out with the RH doing these three-eighth note (single-note) arpeggios and the LH doing just quarter note, eighth rest, quarter note, eighth reat for each bar. That part is not much of a problem for me to play at or close to speed. However, after I played the first few lines and decided I really want to do this piece, I realized I needed to start with the middle/end part first, because it is much more challenging. The LH is all eighth notes and the RH has some two-note phrases in the series of eighth notes. (If that makes any sense!  Need to post an imagine, not just describe it)

At a slow speed, this is doable, but I can't get anywhere near speed, so I thought repeated note groups would help. Anyway, I'm confused!  Can anyone help? And maybe tell me how to post an image? Thanks!

[ShiroKuro]

Regarding posting an image or picture, my question should be:

How can I get a URL for an image in order to include it in the post? Also, since I will scan in the music myself, what kind of settings should I use? It will probably be gif or jpeg, and the quality not so good...

Any advice would be appreciated!

[bernhard]

RNG demands quite a bit of time – yet it is the most powerful method ever. Anyone can learn anything by doing it. Unfortunately, because it takes so much time, you should reserve it only for the truly difficult bits of a piece.

The ideal size of a passage for RNG is seven units (a unit is whatever you want it to be. It can be single note, a triplet, a bar or even a full line). Less than five units is not really worth the effort, and more than ten will require the whole day to complete the cycle.

The decision of what a unit is, will be defined by your personal difficulty with a passage. If it is a really difficult passage, you will have to consider each note a unit. Many times however, you will be able to group several notes in an unit.

You can do it HS, HT or both. It depends – as always – how difficult the passage is for you. If it is truly difficult you will need to do HS and then HT. Or it maybe the  RH is the difficult one, so you can get away with doing only the RH and then joining hands straightaway.

It usually takes between 20 and 45 minutes to do RNG with groups of seven units.

I will wait for you to post your score (or alternatively give us the name of the piece).

Here is how you do it:

1.   Get a JPEG file with your score (either by using a notation program or by scanning it).
2.   Register in one of the free image hosts in the net (e.g. photobucket.com or tinypicture.com)
3.   Transfer your file to the host. It will have a URL address.
4.   Copy this address on your post in between [IMG] [/IMG*] (get rid of the asterisk – I put it there to be able to type it without generating an image).
5.   Before posting, click on preview to check if the image is there all right.


Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[ShiroKuro]

Bernhard, thank you (again! so much!! do you believe in karma? if you do, you must be just loaded with lots of the good kind!)

The piece I'm working on is the Tarantella from the movie "Legend of 1990," the one he plays in 3rd class, at the request of an Italian passenger.  (do you remember that scene?)  I'm sure this is a simpler version than what's played in the film, but it's great fun (and more importantly, this is the only arrangement I've ever found.) Here are the first 12 bars (section A), and then another 12 bars from section G (the end sort of expands on the middle and wraps it all up)






My problem is not playing it, but playing it at speed. I was wondering if RNG would be the way to go. I hope you can see the images well enough to get an idea of the piece. (This is the first time I've ever tried this, so thanks to you, in addition to all this piano info I'm getting, I now have an account with an image host and have managed to post my first image!!!!