Skeptocism

[Skeptopotamus]

ok.  this is getting REALLY REALLY *** annoying now.

why is it that whenever anyone says they want to play a difficult piece or is not having trouble with something YOU think is difficult you people always waste my time with your stupid comments insinuating that I am lying.  Am i the only one that this *** happens to?  Did ANYONE here think that there MIGHT be some pianists on this board that are better than you???  I know im not the best on here; I dont say i am.  But in all modesty i am *** good and i can play some pretty *** hard pieces and i'm *** sick of people telling ME what I can and can not do.  When you do that it is spam, it lowers moral, it wastes people's time and it is NOT helping anything.  If you dont have something to say that has anything to do with the topic then shut the *** up and go sulk in a corner.  Ludwig van Rachabji plays Sorabji.  I play Alkan and Nancarrow and Ligeti.  I dont want to hear that i cant.  Everyone on here who questions the skills of someone they have never even heard/seen/known is just sad, pathetic and probably jealous.  If you dont believe they can play a piece, then just be quiet.  we dont wanna hear about it.  You're not proving anything except you're rather good at being stupid, childish, mean and stupid again.


so shut up and leave me and other pianists alone if all you have to do is ridicule.  If Mei-Ting Sun was on here telling you the things he has/can do/done and you didnt know who he was, you would do the same to him, and he played Gespard de la Nuit at 14.  If i was 14 and told you i was playing Scarbo i dont even want to think of the crap i would get.  seriously people.  if you think somebody is lying then just stay off their post.  All it does is stroke your own ego, and anyone who needs to do that to make themselves feel good is probably a really crappy pianist, cause if you werent you would feel good about being awesome.


EDIT:  i put this here because this seems to be the board that this happens on.

[musik_man]

Lying on the internet is so easy.  That's why most forum members are skeptical.  It's very easy to say that you play Ligeti, Alkan, etc  So you shouldn't be shocked that people doubt your truthfullness, especially when you incessantly brag and make statements like 'The Hammerklavier is easy.'

If you want people to stop bugging you, back up your claims.  No one ever questions the skills of Mei-ting or Koji and they play some crazy pieces.  Perhaps you could post a video of some your Ligeti, or tell us what conservatory you go to. (I'm assuming a pianist of your caliber would be at one)  Maybe some competitions you've been in.

And if you think I'm skeptical of people like you and Thierry is a way of boosting my ego, you're wrong.  I'm quite happy being a mediocre pianist.  Playing harder, faster, and louder isn't the only thing to strive for.  I doubt your claims because they set off my BS detector.  If you make stupid claims, don't be surprised to be called on them.

[Skeptopotamus]

unsurprisingly you missed my entire point.

Firstly, I did NOT say the Hammerklavier is easy.  I said it doesn't seem as hard as people say.  Thierry I personally am skeptical of, but I don't make a point of it.


Let me explain this again.  i shouldnt HAVE to give you recordings of me, even though i do have them.  just dont waste people's time with your skeptocism.  keep it to yourself.


and while i didnt want this post to be COMPLETELY about me, i will say for the LAST *** TIME!!!!!!!!  you want recordings of me i will give them to you.  come get me on MSN Messenger and they are all yours.



anyways, the point is that you shouldnt be doing what MikeyG did on the hammerklavier post cause there is no reason for it.  im not trying to personally attack him but it's a good example.





may i ask you why you DO display your skeptocism then?  i think that is a good question personally.  im really curious why you feel it is necissary.  ask yourself honestly.

[xvimbi]

The way I see it is that saying something like "the Hammerklavier doesn't seem as hard as people say" is as pointless as putting a up. For me, the Hammerklavier is not easy, but I am not "people" either. I don't doubt when someone says s/he can play Sorabji, but I don't believe it either.
I don't care if someone is bragging, and I don't care if someone is sceptical. There is no way of knowing, so I don't waste a second on it.

All I care is that someone on this forum gives me some constructive help when I have a problem, or that I can give someone else some constructive help when they have a problem. Everything else is not even secondary, but utterly pointless to me.

Now, that was a waste of time, but I had a spare minute.

Happy playing!

[Bacfokievrahms]

Are you misspelling skepticism on purpose? Is that a name-based gimmick? Are you implying that you actually do know how to spell skepticism but the skepticism that you're talking about in particular is skepticism that is directed towards you?

skeptocism

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.

[musik_man]

You seem to think that it's unreasonable to doubt anyone's claims regarding the piano.  If I made a new account tommorrow, and told the board that I can play Alkan's Symphony for Solo Piano, Brahm's B-flat Concerto, and all the Chopin-Godowsky etudes, would it be improper of them to be skeptical?

If you want to know where my skepticism regarding you comes from, the answer would be your "Take that SteinwayTony" post.  When I read your repertoire(which would make anyone but Hamelin blush) and considered that your name had part of the word "skepticism", I seriously thought that you were someone's joke account.

If you want to know why people's skepticism comes out.  Part of it has to do with us disliking someone making empty boasts.  Other times people get annoyed when people give advice beyond their abilities.  An example would be Thierry responding to the thread about the difficulty of the Mesphisto Waltz.  When he comes along and talks out of his a**, he may end up stopping a player from taking a piece he wanted to learn, or make that player underestimate the difficulites of a piece he knows.  His need to boost his own ego can have real negative consequences for other players on the board.  Having a good knowledge of the history of someone giving advice to you is important.  When we think you're lying about that history, it angers us.

BTW I don't have MSN,  If you want you can IM me.

Another BTW, I'm not saying that I know you're lying about your abilities.  I'm just taking everything you say with a grain of salt until I have reason to trust your advice.

[DMHM]

Given the intelligence of your posts, I personally don't feel the need to listen to your recs. You might be capable of some pianism but as you've clearly shown, you're nowhere near a musician. Like most pianists of today anyway.

[Skeptopotamus]

The way I see it is that saying something like "the Hammerklavier doesn't seem as hard as people say" is as pointless as putting a up. For me, the Hammerklavier is not easy, but I am not "people" either. I don't doubt when someone says s/he can play Sorabji, but I don't believe it either.
I don't care if someone is bragging, and I don't care if someone is sceptical. There is no way of knowing, so I don't waste a second on it.

All I care is that someone on this forum gives me some constructive help when I have a problem, or that I can give someone else some constructive help when they have a problem. Everything else is not even secondary, but utterly pointless to me.

Now, that was a waste of time, but I had a spare minute.

Happy playing!

no.  it was NOT a waste of time.  i think you pretty much articulated what i was trying to say, but probably in nicer words.  But i was looking for constructive help with my problem on not understanding why the hammerklavier is so hard.


"You seem to think that it's unreasonable to doubt anyone's claims regarding the piano.  If I made a new account tommorrow, and told the board that I can play Alkan's Symphony for Solo Piano, Brahm's B-flat Concerto, and all the Chopin-Godowsky etudes, would it be improper of them to be skeptical?"

im not saying anything is unreasonable.  doubt whatever you want.  im saying dont take it out in public like it gets done so often cause it's a waste of space and doesnt accomplish anything.  Funny thing- the Symphonie pour Solo Piano is actually a piece i'm learning right now.

Also, i dont understand why everyone thinks my repertoire is so unreasonable.



and people.  please answer the question i asked before.



may i ask you why you DO display your skeptocism then?  i think that is a good question personally.  im really curious why you feel it is necissary.  ask yourself honestly.



and no that wasnt a play on words ><  im not a very good speller is all ^^

[etudes]

for me i dont really care what they said if they said they can play something or not
i dont think that if i care so much  about things in internet i would be mad coz everyone seems to be better than me    btw its great for motivation when i read someone play some very difficult pieces (that mentioned in this thread)
but it's great to see how love of your music more than showoff yourself.
i think the most important is practise yourself and be the best you can be why u have to care if Meiting or Koji is better (of course  )  so happy with them and enjoy listening!
regards

[musik_man]

I told you why I display my skepticism.  It's useful to know someone's background when you take advice from them.  It hurts the forum when bad advice is given out.

[etudes]

I told you why I display my skepticism.  It's useful to know someone's background when you take advice from them.  It hurts the forum when bad advice is given out.

anyway sorry for my bad english (esp. grammatical)
agree on that point
but if they give any bad advice you can also say the good one?
and you can see how lack of someone's background if they gave any of bad advice.
btw you dont have to believe all the things that written in this sites....that's why i dont really care and i dont think that lying is make anyone better (so if you think someone's lying just leave him stuck with that)
peace
regards

[etudes]

one more thing
if someone say s/he can play such a difficult piece like alkan sorabji or what ever i dont mind coz i think if we practise really hard so the sky is the limit but u only need time to develop yourself to that level so i dont mind if anyone say s/he can execute any of piano repertoire becoz u can too.

[fred smalls]

Ok. Small(s) rant here. Excuse the pun. (I'll go kill myself later).
Since I didn't bother to read past the first 4 posts I'm probably getting something wrong too, by the way. 

Now: I agree with Skepto. Although none of that happens to me because I don't play any really hard pieces. BUT I (^%$ HATE everyone who says "this pianist is horrible, terrible, awful. OK all of you please. IF YOU WERE AS GOOD AS THEM, YOU WOULD BE FAMOUS. They are good for &#$ sake! You can say "I disagree with their interpretation of pieces/composers/etc... BUT DON"T SAY THEY SUCK, becuse you obviosly aren't in their place. And suck etc. are such stupid words, obviosly they dont suck. Now, I also hate those people who talk about how easy difficult pieces are. It's ok to say, "I don't find that very challenging, or "It is not that hard". But DON"T say that the grieg concerto is EASY. Ok, maybe it's not that hard or not that insane, but for &^%# SAKE, it's not EASY. And if it is easy to you, say it in a resepectful manner. Don't post the Grieg or the Mendelssonh concerto's under EASIEST CONCERTO! urgh

Ok. There. I've obviosly done something wrong there. So everyone can pretend that didn't happen. 

Now. Excuse me while I go learn Islamy, soo easy.

Peace
Fred Smalls

[etudes]

Ok. Small(s) rant here. Excuse the pun. (I'll go kill myself later).
Since I didn't bother to read past the first 4 posts I'm probably getting something wrong too, by the way. 

Now: I agree with Skepto. Although none of that happens to me because I don't play any really hard pieces. BUT I (^%$ HATE everyone who says "this pianist is horrible, terrible, awful. OK all of you please. IF YOU WERE AS GOOD AS THEM, YOU WOULD BE FAMOUS. They are good for &#$ sake! You can say "I disagree with their interpretation of pieces/composers/etc... BUT DON"T SAY THEY SUCK, becuse you obviosly aren't in their place. And suck etc. are suck stupid words, obviosly they dont suck. Now, I also hate those people who talk about how easy difficult pieces are. It's ok to say, "I don't find that very challenging, or "It is not that hard". But DON"T say that the grieg concerto is EASY. Ok, maybe it's not that hard or not that insane, but for &^%# SAKE, it's not EASY. And if it is easy to you, say it in a resepectful manner. Don't post the Grieg or the Mendelssonh concerto's under EASIEST CONCERTO! urgh

Ok. There. I've obviosly done something wrong there. So everyone can pretend that didn't happen. 

Now. Excuse me while I go learn Islamy, soo easy.

Peace
Fred Smalls

enjoy islamey! watch out your octave lol. (i failed to learn this piece so difficult for me need more time to learn)
regards

[mikeyg]

Yeah.  As annoying as it is for you to hear people say "you can't play it", it's probably even more annoying to hear you say "The Hammerklavier is easy".  simply put:  it isn't.  If you can play it, then you could probably play any other Beethoven Sonata.  Can you?  If you can, then I will IM you and get that elusive recording.  Else, don't make absurd claims like that.

Thank You

[fred smalls]

Yeah.  As annoying as it is for you to hear people say "you can't play it", it's probably even more annoying to hear you say "The Hammerklavier is easy".  simply put:  it isn't.  If you can play it, then you could probably play any other Beethoven Sonata.  Can you?  If you can, then I will IM you and get that elusive recording.  Else, don't make absurd claims like that.

Thank You

Mikey. Thanks for supporting my opinion. But, as I have high respect for Skepto, I must defend him. In the topic of Hammerklavier, he doesn't say it is easy, he is just wondering  why so many people find it diffucult. It is a question. Something along the lines of "Is it becuase it is a marathon?" I don't think Skepto was trying to brag at all. Of course, if I did hear someone say "The Hammerklavier is easy" I'd probably loose my head (of which there seems to be little of left). Fortunatly, no one has yet said "The Hammerklavier is easy" so I remain mentally stable.

Peace
Fred

[Skeptopotamus]

it's not elusive.  i've offered my recordings all over this board.  And yeah- i have played Appassionata, Waldstein (the one im good at) and moonlight.  others that i might want to play in the future are Les Adieux and Pathetique.  i dont ever plan on playing the hammerklavier- i think it is total trash and garbage.  i probably wont learn another beethoven piece in my life because i dont even really like him.  i was just asking why people felt it is so challenging.  im too busy for hammerklavier anyways.  check my sig- and i've got QUITE a long list of stuff i plan on learning at some point, and hammerklavier will be the very bottom.


AND I DIDNT SAY IT WAS EASY!!!! i said that i was having trouble finding single measures that i felt were overtly difficult.  it's HARD I KNOW!  i meant REALLY REALLY hard.  it isnt REALLY REALLY hard.


and dont get off topic like i just did ^^


"I told you why I display my skepticism.  It's useful to know someone's background when you take advice from them.  It hurts the forum when bad advice is given out."

you're still not getting it.  at all.  i dont think me explaining it over and over will get it through to you.  or are you saying you're doing a charity act for the forum by trying to make me look bad so people won't take my advice?  well, aren't you the humanitarian.  if only everyone was as generous in their time as you.

[etudes]

Skeptopotamus if u work with that alkan and debussy i dont think u have a time for hammerklavier 
but after that u can try i love that piece
btw if you play appassionata ,waldstein and then Les Adieux so why not put the hammerklavier in your wanted to play-list


btw how far are you going with that alkan?       
good luck.
regards

[Skeptopotamus]

i probably wont learn Les Adieux, and i learned Waldstein and Appassionata cause my teacher told me to, certainly not because i wanted to.




and the alkan.....  ><

well i learned the second movement seperately a while ago, so i already have that one.  The left-handed tremelos in the first movement are totally evil.  im getting the first movement out of the way because it is the hardest.  i havent really done any real work on the third or fourth movements though, but im dreading those rediculously fast octaves in the left hand in the last movement.

[musik_man]

Not getting it?  You're complaining because you think my skepticism is only out of envy and does nothing for the forum.  I just told you why it is helpful for the forum, and why all the people who lie about their massive 1337 SkIlLz over the internet hurt the forum.  I'm not trying to make anyone look bad.  

I completely get that you think there's no reason for pointing out that your claims are near ridiculous.  I just disagree, and if you'll notice, I don't just ignore what you write, and stick in some sarcastic condescension.  To further prove my point I'll make a little list of why people lieing about their piano level is bad for the forum.

1)It discourages pianists.  If Peggy-Sue has been playing for 6 years and is just now starting the Chopin Etudes, and she sees people talking about how they learned them after 2 years, it may discourage her and make her feel inadequate.

2)In the same vein, it may make newer players feel they need to jump waist deep into the virtuoso repertoire to progress normally, causing poor playing and potentially burnout.

3)People may not give your advice the correct weight.  If Mr. X makes a thread asking how difficult a certain piece is, and Mr Liar responds, how is Mr X supposed to know that Mr Liar really has no clue about the difficulty of the piece.

4)It creates a bad atmosphere in the forum.  People who feel the need to lie about there skill, often also feel the need to brag about that skill.  This distracts the forum from the purpose of talking about piano-playing, and makes the forum more about SDC style louder, faster, harder comparisons.

5)Having people lie about there skill makes some people hesitant to ask certain questions.  Some newbie may not want to ask about Bach's Minuet in G, if he sees that 90% of the topics are about crazy virtuoso repertoire.

These aren't aimed at you specifically Skepto.  I'm just trying to show you that there is a reason to evaluate the truthfulness of people's claims.  And I've never said that you are lying about your skill level.  I'm just saying that your claims should be taken with a grain of salt till you show some proof.

[mikeyg]

Why don't you just ask nils th host o couple of recordings for a week.  I'm sure he will oblige.

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

Yes. I'm really interested in hearing you play. You sound like quite the accomplished pianist. How old are you exactly? You seem fairly young, which makes your accomplishments all the more inspiring.

[Skeptopotamus]

im old enough.

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

Hmm... that doesn't exactly answer my question... 

[etudes]

smell like a sign of war
peace
regards

[mikeyg]

Did you ask nils about hosting you're files yet?  Would you like me to do it for you?  Or, you can email them to me at mikeyg10106@yahoo.com and I'll figure out a way to host them.

EDIT:  or perhaps you could host them, ludwig?

[mikeyg]

And Skepto, can you repost a list of your current repretoire?  I missed the "take this whoever" thread.

Thanks

[etudes]

waiting to see the ending of this story 
but i'm too tired so i will go to bed now
about host we can use send edit? why not maybe good idea ?
regards
peace

[steinwayguy]

Ok. Small(s) rant here. Excuse the pun. (I'll go kill myself later).
Since I didn't bother to read past the first 4 posts I'm probably getting something wrong too, by the way. 

Now: I agree with Skepto. Although none of that happens to me because I don't play any really hard pieces. BUT I (^%$ HATE everyone who says "this pianist is horrible, terrible, awful. OK all of you please. IF YOU WERE AS GOOD AS THEM, YOU WOULD BE FAMOUS. They are good for &#$ sake! You can say "I disagree with their interpretation of pieces/composers/etc... BUT DON"T SAY THEY SUCK, becuse you obviosly aren't in their place. And suck etc. are such stupid words, obviosly they dont suck. Now, I also hate those people who talk about how easy difficult pieces are. It's ok to say, "I don't find that very challenging, or "It is not that hard". But DON"T say that the grieg concerto is EASY. Ok, maybe it's not that hard or not that insane, but for &^%# SAKE, it's not EASY. And if it is easy to you, say it in a resepectful manner. Don't post the Grieg or the Mendelssonh concerto's under EASIEST CONCERTO! urgh

Ok. There. I've obviosly done something wrong there. So everyone can pretend that didn't happen. 

Now. Excuse me while I go learn Islamy, soo easy.

Peace
Fred Smalls

I disagree with just about all of this post.

Just because some random idiot on the internet (which could be said for many on this forum) thinks Mei-Ting Sun, Lang Lang or Evgeny Kissin is better than I am does not by any means retract my right to criticize them. Straight-up- Mei-Ting's playing is stale, Lang Lang's Rachmaninoff 2nd is by far the worst on record and practically an insult to the composer and Evgeny Kissin's Schubert 960 is flat and immature. There. OMG POST UR RECRDINGS!!11. No. I don't see people telling David Hurwitz he can't play Boulez's 2nd Sonata as well as Pollini, so he shouldn't criticize him. That's bullshit. There's no reason that my inabilities (there are few, har har) take away my right to have and express an opinion. Oh, and by the way, Lang Lang flat-out sucks a big one. There is not one single merit to his playing.

Half the time people say things like "Rach 3 ain't so bad" it is because they are kidding. Good God, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

And as for everyone asking Skeptopotamus for his repertoire list and recordings, who gives a sh*t? It's totally illogical for you to judge the validity of a poster's opinion on whether or not he could play Gaspard de la Nuit when he was 14.

Also, those of you saying that fame automatically means you are good, refer to the "overrated pianists of the 20th century". Pretty much every one of you listed a pianist you thought was overrated. "but liek omg they r still good lol". Ok, I'll make a list of pianists who are famous and don't deserve anything but a passing glance:
Lang Lang
Richard Clayderman
Mei-Ting Sun

[SDL]

Now: I agree with Skepto. Although none of that happens to me because I don't play any really hard pieces. BUT I (^%$ HATE everyone who says "this pianist is horrible, terrible, awful. OK all of you please. IF YOU WERE AS GOOD AS THEM, YOU WOULD BE FAMOUS. They are good for &#$ sake! You can say "I disagree with their interpretation of pieces/composers/etc... BUT DON"T SAY THEY SUCK, becuse you obviosly aren't in their place.

One major point about this - people aren't famous necessarily because they are really good, although Im not taking anything away from those you are and have worked there way to the top and are good.  They are famous because they had good marketing, their face fits, they're male perhaps, some competition juror particularly like their playing and they had the last say, they had a rich start in life that could afford all the best education, it could be a number of reasons.  There are people who are really good that aren't famous, and I quite understand when people are critical of those who are playing professionally who may not be as good as those who aren't.  Critique's keep performers on their toes... why shouldn't musicians be accountable.  The music world is already mafioso like with its monopoly of pieces that won't be published or shared because it ensures one performer gets the work.  We are accountable at work - if we do a bad job then we get repremanded.  Well musicians should be accountable too.. you don't buy their CD and you tell your friends why and they make their own mind up.

[SDL]

P.s  scepticism is the original correct spelling - English language.  Americanisms came afterwards 

[mikeyg]

And as for everyone asking Skeptopotamus for his repertoire list and recordings, who gives a ***? It's totally illogical for you to judge the validity of a poster's opinion on whether or not he could play Gaspard de la Nuit when he was 14.

I only asked about his recordings because he advertised them.

And it is completely logical to judge the validity of a piano piece based off how good at the piano the person making it is, especially when they say "I didn't find any sections that would give me trouble."  Obviously, if they've been playing for 2 months, then this is bs, so their opinion is bs, or "bot valid"  (not saying this is necessarily true in Skepto's case)

[CLV391]

if i may just say one thing...skepto...i am so glad that there is anotehr jerk like me out there... i agree with everything you say.  i understand too about tou being so good. i believe it.  me too.  in fact my first piece was the ocean etude, though a lot of poeple dont believe me.  anyway, don give up

[SDL]

Skepto - may I just make one constructive suggestion...

When you say you can't see how someone finds it difficult in your hammerklavier post (I read it) word it differently, more tactfully so that you don't offend anyone that does find it difficult who thinks your comment is belittling them.  Why not leave an open question :
"alot of people seem to find the hammerklavier difficult, what do you find difficult"...

That way you are not saying you don't find it difficult and anyone who presumes that was your intention has no valid argument.   Tact is a hard skill to aquire.  I can see where people are coming from when they think you are being big-headed.  I like the forum when its helpful and when I can feel that I can truthfully say what my problems are without hiding them for fear of being shot down in flames at admitting them.  Im sure other people feel the same.

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

I disagree with just about all of this post.

Just because some random idiot on the internet (which could be said for many on this forum) thinks Mei-Ting Sun, Lang Lang or Evgeny Kissin is better than I am does not by any means retract my right to criticize them. Straight-up- Mei-Ting's playing is stale, Lang Lang's Rachmaninoff 2nd is by far the worst on record and practically an insult to the composer and Evgeny Kissin's Schubert 960 is flat and immature. There. OMG POST UR RECRDINGS!!11. No. I don't see people telling David Hurwitz he can't play Boulez's 2nd Sonata as well as Pollini, so he shouldn't criticize him. That's bullshit. There's no reason that my inabilities (there are few, har har) take away my right to have and express an opinion. Oh, and by the way, Lang Lang flat-out sucks a big one. There is not one single merit to his playing.

Half the time people say things like "Rach 3 ain't so bad" it is because they are kidding. Good God, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

And as for everyone asking Skeptopotamus for his repertoire list and recordings, who gives a ***? It's totally illogical for you to judge the validity of a poster's opinion on whether or not he could play Gaspard de la Nuit when he was 14.

Also, those of you saying that fame automatically means you are good, refer to the "overrated pianists of the 20th century". Pretty much every one of you listed a pianist you thought was overrated. "but liek omg they r still good lol". Ok, I'll make a list of pianists who are famous and don't deserve anything but a passing glance:
Lang Lang
Richard Clayderman
Mei-Ting Sun

Well said! I agree 100%.

[shasta]

Don't post the Grieg or the Mendelssonh concerto's under EASIEST CONCERTO! urgh

Hi Fred.  Regarding your above statement, when a topic is titled "easiest concerto" or "easiest etude", the topic's author is simply asking for the opinions of PF members. 

No one who replies with their opinions to topics phrased like this are necessarily saying that ANY of the concerti are "easy" - - -  they are simply saying that, of the challenging concerti repertoire, and in order to answer the question posed by the topic's author, concerto X is, to them, the most manageable.

Thanks
-Shasta

[maxy]

heh

now I am curious.

Skepto, please PM me your MSN thing, I want to hear your recs.
You act like a brat, but I have the feeling it may be justified! 

Grieg and Mendelssohn concerti are hard, but good starters all the same. 

[Siberian Husky]

i dont understands people's need to understand how other percieve or view them..especially when it comes to art

people think your lying?..who cares

your really lying?..who cares

pretty much this thread screams "please love me"...i mean think about it...there is some underlining to this need for acceptance on behalf of what you APPEAR to be...and i say APPEAR..simply because this is the internet..the most volatile and dispicable place in the world..a place where the pronography industry towers over anything else...how do you expect NOT to be judged upon?..people dont know the real you..they see an alias and TEXT which can say AAAANNYYTTHHHIINNGGG....yet your fighting for some degree of recognition on who you really are..which is really a pointless battle...why dont you use that energy and seek refuge in your own talent..if yuo can really play what you claim you can...then that should be sufficiently satisfying regardless of how many people (whos opinions shouldnt even matter to you as they do not know you personaly and havnt first handedly judged your piano skills) criticise or atd skeptical...unless your a pianist who plays to be accepted...then thatsa  while different disorder..and i say disorder..because its a rediculous thing being a grown man and playing to be accepted by your peers....

just chill n play some piano man..seriously...

gas prices are goin up man...theres no need to stress oneself even further...

[Glissando]

and while i didnt want this post to be COMPLETELY about me, i will say for the LAST *** TIME!!!!!!!!  you want recordings of me i will give them to you.  come get me on MSN Messenger and they are all yours.

Yeah, you'll send recordings on MSN- but unless you're Gregory Brown, that Bowen Toccata wasn't yours. And you never would send me any genuine (or otherwise) recordings of yourself after that.

[DMHM]

Yeah, you'll send recordings on MSN- but unless you're Gregory Brown, that Bowen Toccata wasn't yours. And you never would send me any genuine (or otherwise) recordings of yourself after that.

Oooh... whatta surprise.
Instead of acting like some kind of piano god with ADD (attention-deficiency-disorder), go put the energy in music.
Or join mr. CLV391's fan club where you all can sit back and relax talking about what legendary pianists you are (yes hitting about 10% of the correct notes in the approximate key or give out recs of real pianists and pretend they're yours are a definite demand which I'm sure you can fulfill).

Btw some spoonfeeding here -- the fact that you can play something doesnt mean it is easy (music) in any way. I can play Ondine, but does that mean it's easy? Don't think so...

Additional spoonfeeding for Steinway guy;
you do not have to like mt's playing but if you just had a bit of musical intelligence and more than basic knowledge of recs of the 3 mentioned you wouldnt have put mt along those 2.

Validity of opinions is based on intelligence (and experience on the matter), not on poor ignorant personal statements.

[Lang]

Well, first and foremost:

Skepto, I really couldn't give a damn if you can play what you play. Your blatant immaturity, disrespect for others, lack of courtesy, and bloated ego are qualities of an inferior artist.

Yup, I said inferior.

Sure - you could play all you claim to play. There's nothing stopping anybody from hitting the right keys with the right rhythm. You could train a chimp to do that.

But nothing could convince me to listen to one as splendiferously nescient as yourself.

By the way, I love how you kept goading everybody into asking you for recordings on MSN, and then sent a recording of Mr. Gregory Brown. What's the deal? Are you Gregory Brown, with something to hide? Because if you are Gregory Brown, then it would explain a lot. If you're so grand and accomplished, stop riding the media wave that comes of being one of five Browns. Why, was your playing not good enough to make it on your own as a pianist, without the help of the additional Brown crew?

Or if you're not Gregory Brown - what's the matter? Why must you send recordings of a certain Mr Brown to somebody who asked for your recordings? Considering how eager you are to prove your worth, that's pretty (read: extremely) pathetic, to pass somebody else's work off as your own.

Sorry, but to you, it seems like the art of the pianist is about how hard the repertoire is. It's all you ever go on about, seemingly. But let me share with you a little secret: Nobody cares about what pieces you play, because no matter how hard the pieces you play are, we've heard somebody play it before. It's in how you play it. And to play it well - to say something personal - being a pianist is about more than hitting black and white keys. Being a pianist is about being an artist. It's about living and loving life.

I don't think you'll understand that. I'm not being condescending. Your behaviour on this forum indicates this much to me. You lack respect for others (if you respected us, as the members of this forum, you would maintain the air of courtesy that most of us give off, and would type in proper English instead of the bastardised dialect you elect to use; yes, I know you don't care; point proven - you have no respect for others), you have an urge to show off what you've played (wasn't it you that made that disgraceful thread to show off all the difficult pieces you've played?), and you have the nerve to post a topic such as this one.

I don't expect you to understand, by the way. What I can conclude is that number one, your maturity, as evidenced by your behaviour in this forum, is far from that needed to play the works you claim to play, and number two, you are either Gregory Brown hiding behind a pathetic online pseudonym, or that you are a poser without recordings of your own.

To everybody else other than Skepto - move along, move along, nothing to see. :-)

[fred smalls]

I disagree with just about all of this post.

Just because some random idiot on the internet (which could be said for many on this forum) thinks Mei-Ting Sun, Lang Lang or Evgeny Kissin is better than I am

Nicely put. Why yes, SteinwayGuy, I do think they're all way better than you. And your manner is nice and polite too. You are my new idol. When I grow up, I wish to be just as cynical as you. I don't think you even read what I said. I said I hate the people who use words like suck, terrible, horrible. Use something more constructive, instead of being some random idiot on the internet.

Peace
Fred Smalls

[Siberian Husky]

man...everybody sure is keepin it real...

whos gregory brown?

[mikeyg]

Skepto, I'm still waiting for that e-mail.

[chromatickler]

if i may just say one thing...skepto...i am so glad that there is anotehr jerk like me out there... i agree with everything you say.  i understand too about tou being so good. i believe it.  me too.  in fact my first piece was the ocean etude, though a lot of poeple dont believe me.  anyway, don give up

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA out of the blue a stroke of CG

[mikeyg]

in fact my first piece was the ocean etude, though a lot of poeple dont believe me. 

How long did it take you to learn it?  How proficient are you at it?   I'm sorry if I am wrong in beig a bit incredulous when someone says "the first peice I learned was the Ocaen Etude"  Unless you spent like 2 years doing nothing but that, I just don't think it is feasible.  Not even Alkan could have learned that as his first piece.

[Lang]

How long did it take you to learn it?  How proficient are you at it?   I'm sorry if I am wrong in beig a bit incredulous when someone says "the first peice I learned was the Ocaen Etude"  Unless you spent like 2 years doing nothing but that, I just don't think it is feasible.  Not even Alkan could have learned that as his first piece.

Mikey, if you heard this guy's "recording" of the "Ocean Etude" (notice the quotes), you'd understand immediately.

 

[mikeyg]

Mikey, if you heard this guy's "recording" of the "Ocean Etude" (notice the quotes), you'd understand immediately.

 

Is it on daSDC?

[etudes]

Mikey, if you heard this guy's "recording" of the "Ocean Etude" (notice the quotes), you'd understand immediately.

 

where i can find it?

[musik_man]

Is it on daSDC?

I think what they mean, is that the guy passed off a pro's recording as his own.  I saw that happen several times back on the www.music-scores.com board, when I posted there.