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Topic: Rach. Etude 33/4 - other edition needed  (Read 1684 times)

Offline allchopin

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Rach. Etude 33/4 - other edition needed
on: May 29, 2005, 02:56:47 PM
I've come across a possible discrepancy in my edition of the etude that I'd like to make sure isn't a mistake.  The C# in the grace note chord on the 4th beat of m. 32 (beginning of 3rd page in my edition) doesn't sound right, and in a recording I have I can't quite hear it.  Can anyone verify that this C# isn't supposed to be naturalised?  Thanks
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Re: Rach. Etude 33/4 - other edition needed
Reply #1 on: May 29, 2005, 06:26:09 PM
My edition (Dover) says C-sharp.

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Re: Rach. Etude 33/4 - other edition needed
Reply #2 on: May 29, 2005, 06:30:26 PM
Thank you - sounds very odd though  ::)
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Re: Rach. Etude 33/4 - other edition needed
Reply #3 on: May 29, 2005, 11:22:18 PM
I just went to a piano and played through it. And yes, I would definitely play a C natural there. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's what I did when I played the piece, but I got the music then from sheetmusicarchive.net, which also has a C sharp.

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Re: Rach. Etude 33/4 - other edition needed
Reply #4 on: May 30, 2005, 05:35:26 AM
I'm curious as to what edition the SMA is;  what are the odds that both editions would have the same error? 
I'm probably going to follow my intuition and go with a C natural here until I'm able to find more versions.  I'm hoping others will share their editions.
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Re: Rach. Etude 33/4 - other edition needed
Reply #5 on: May 30, 2005, 04:20:57 PM
Mmm, another Rachmaninoff disputed accidental. I have the Boosey & Hawkes edition, in which the note in question is printed as a C#. (Well in fact it isn't printed as anything but there's a C# earlier in the bar). As written it's an odd sound but not an entirely horrible one, but I think it's probably an early mistake that's become permanent. Certainly it would be very easy to miss. Anyway, the second half of b.32 parallels the second half of b.11 where there certainly isn't a corresponding G#.

On the recording I have (Richter) it's not completely clear, which suggests to me that he's playing the natural - if he played the sharp, you'd notice.

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Re: Rach. Etude 33/4 - other edition needed
Reply #6 on: May 30, 2005, 04:53:58 PM
why isit i don't find a Opus 33, no4 in my book? Boosey hawkes?

ah found it... withdrawn from op33, later published as op39 no 6

so i assume you're referring to the etude 4, op 33 then.

i have a c# too... but i've never had a problem with the sound of that chord... hehe.

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Re: Rach. Etude 33/4 - other edition needed
Reply #7 on: May 31, 2005, 04:56:25 PM
Thanks for all your input; that's what i needed to know.  I think it was an oversight and I will opt for the C-natural unless there are any good reasons not to.  The similar measure 11 is a good point Jim, but the second measure contains a lot more dissonance so it isn't quite clear if that chord is supposed to be so consonant like m. 11.  I'm not a Rachmaninoff afficianado but I'm curious to which edition is truest to his original scores.  Does Henle cover Rachmaninoff?
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