hi every onE! i'm a newbie...as shown...well i'm a pianist...not very old...hahas! in my really early teens...hmm i just found a piece by beethovan....the song pathetique....wel it seems really nice but...can u all guide me in how i can kinda master this song?thanks alot!

IT'S NOT A SONG, IT'S A PIECE.

And what have you played before?

Pay more practice time to the second page onwards as this is a little harder to get sounding right rhythm wise. and the first page is actualy quite easy to learn

Whatever, if you like op.13 you should learn it!!! I think it was one of my first Beethoven sonatas and it's great fun to play.  I would start with the grave sections of the first movement.... count 16th notes and its not so bad.  Find a good recording, it will help you cement the rhythm in your head.  Where most people go wrong with this piece is with the rhythm in the first part, i think, so make sure you get it right!!!  Then, move on to the allegro.  Practice slowly and slowly move the metronome up.  Most importantly, talk to your teacher... you will get so much more out of the piece if you have someone older wiser and more musically mature to guide you.   

I think the 2nd is the most difficult..

Here we go again!

Where most people go wrong with this piece is with the rhythm in the first part, i think, so make sure you get it right!!!

This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but please do not attempt a well-known sonata like Pathetique if you are confused about its motif's rhythm. IMHO where most people go wrong is precisely that they can stumble through the funereal slowwwww stuffffff on page one, and then can't do page two because it's fast and requires LH chops. Or to be cynical, most people go wrong with this piece by learning it much too early and not having a clue about what it is, let alone how to perform it.
Op. 13 is not an easy piece, it's demanding and unforgiving; being very well known, audiences (good ones) will be unforgiving as well. It has (imho) a terribly undeserved reputation as an 'easy', 'simple', 'beginner's piece', when in fact the Allergo is easily on par with Appassionata (and probably even more overplayed/hackneyed).

Whatever, if you like op.13 you should learn it!!!

Unhelpful advice. Applies to Rach 3, Brahms 2, anyone's paganini variations, Mazeppa, ***zt b minor sonata, what have you.

I think the 2nd is the most difficult..

At the moment I agree.

I'm learning both the 1st and 3rd movements right now, and I find that the 3rd is much more difficult for me to get up to speed

This is surprising - most people think the ultrafast tremolos in the Allegro are a lot harder. How are you approaching the finale/what are you having difficulty with? How fast are you trying to play it?

I think the third movement is more or less just muscle memory and knowing exactly where your fingers need to be

Eh? Getting the fingers to the right place is the most insignificant part of this piece.

OP: You may not have known, but it's not a "song", it's a "piece" or a "work" or an early Beethoven "sonata", and yes it does matter.

-Rach3, who is always grumpy like this because he is addicted to coffee

Single most important point with tremolos - avoid tension.

Single most important point with tremolos - avoid tension.

I agree.  I learnt the Pathetique for a diploma exam and actually injured my LH practicing those tremolos resulting in a bit of physio and weeks of no LH work    My problem is that I have a rather small hand and can only just reach an octave so the constant octave stretch combined with tremololololo     wasnt easy for me.  Practice carefully and at the first sign of ANY discomfort STOP.

I can't explain this:

I'm learning both the 1st and 3rd movements right now, and I find that the 3rd is much more difficult for me to get up to speed.  Has anyone else had this experience?  Does anyone have any general tips on the 3rd movement?

I would say I found the 1st and 3rd movements equally difficult    Those triplets at the proper tempo are terribly difficult, well to me anyway    And those RH chords at bar 185 !!!    In my exam I completely missed the first chord and hit something totally wrong and consequently the next two chords were wrong as well, in both hands and FF !!    No suprise that I failed I guess!!   

My advice for speeding up both these movements is HS work.  I found that trying to increase tempo HS helped the HT speed overall.  Of course I was still doing HT work as well.

Good luck 

Yes, the triplets in the left hand especially in the 3rd movement are very difficult, and  I find that the most difficult part in 3rd movement.  The second movement is the easiest technically, but the hardest to perfect musically.

For learning the tremolos I would also advise to look into Chuan C. Chang's book. I didn't found the tremolos itself very hard, but I think it's quite difficult to play the staccato accords in the right hand precisely at the right time - it's not only the speed but also that you have to play it piano, a fact often ignored by beginners of the piece. If you play the accords just a tiny bit too late it will immediately sound sloppy. A digital piano comes very handy for practicing as it allows to playback the recordings at slower speeds.
 
By the way, what do you think of Gould's performance of the piece? I think he actually manages to play the first movement too fast and I really cannot understand how he manages to do the hand crossing at such a speed.

What is the tempo of the 3rd movement of this sonata? I remember listening to a recording that played MUCH faster than I did, but as I really disliked the recording I didn't change my tempo. I thank I play it around half note = 96. Is this way off the mark?

From my 7 months of practicing the Allegro incorrectly and 1 month of learning it to a still-deplorable level, I've figured out that to play the tremoli, you need to feel as if you're slapping the piano and flapping around with your left hand. Controlled flapping, but definitely not an overplanned-note playing.

This doesn't sound quite right... slapping and flapping?

Who is Beethovan?

I agree.  I learnt the Pathetique for a diploma exam and actually injured my LH practicing those tremolos resulting in a bit of physio and weeks of no LH work    My problem is that I have a rather small hand and can only just reach an octave so the constant octave stretch combined with tremololololo     wasnt easy for me.  Practice carefully and at the first sign of ANY discomfort STOP.

Good adivce. Anytime your hand hurts, you should stop. I also have small hands. The way I played tremelos was rotating my whole arm from side to side while keeping my fingers strong rolling from 5 to 1 to 5...etc. Do it slow then speed up. It's kind of like the motion of turning the door knob.