Chopin's Etude in C-Major Op.10 No.1 in Mirror Form for LH

[g_s_223]

There was some recent discussion here about the use of "Mirror" figurations to improve and balance skills between both hands. The example of Chopin's Op.10 No.1 was mentioned, and this inspired me to have a go at producing it. You can hear attached:
- the normal version
- the mirror version
- the normal and mirror versions played simultaneously

For those technically minded, this was done in Finale 2006a, as follows:
- locate an existing good MIDI file of this work (numerous ones are on the web)
- import into Finale
- clean up import
- add additional piano grand staff
- copy RH part of piano 1 to LH of piano 2
- select LH piano 2 staff
- run Plugins/Scoring and Arranging/Canonic Utilities...
- select Chromatic Mirror Inversion and press Apply
- pick MassMover, select LH piano 2 staff
- select MassEdit menu, Transpose...
- pick Up Major 3rd, Chromatically
- do these steps for the LH->RH mirror
- select all notes
- pick Plugins/Note, Beam and Rest Editing/Cautionary Accidentals... and run defaults
- pick MassEdit/Music Spacing/Apply Note Spacing

I am providing the Finale source file here so you can print out or do other stuff - creative ideas welcome! You can get free Finale Notepad for Win/Mac at https://www.codamusic.com/coda/ . The MP3's were generated by Finale's Garritan Personal Orchestra sampled Steinway 'B', it's not me playing sad to say.

[rimv2]

There was some recent discussion here about the use of "Mirror" figurations to improve and balance skills between both hands. The example of Chopin's Op.10 No.1 was mentioned, and this inspired me to have a go at producing it. You can hear attached:
- the normal version
- the mirror version
- the normal and mirror versions played simultaneously

For those technically minded, this was done in Finale 2006a, as follows:
- locate an existing good MIDI file of this work (numerous ones are on the web)
- import into Finale
- clean up import
- add additional piano grand staff
- copy RH part of piano 1 to LH of piano 2
- select LH piano 2 staff
- run Plugins/Scoring and Arranging/Canonic Utilities...
- select Chromatic Mirror Inversion and press Apply
- pick MassMover, select LH piano 2 staff
- select MassEdit menu, Transpose...
- pick Up Major 3rd, Chromatically
- do these steps for the LH->RH mirror
- select all notes
- pick Plugins/Note, Beam and Rest Editing/Cautionary Accidentals... and run defaults
- pick MassEdit/Music Spacing/Apply Note Spacing

I am providing the Finale source file here so you can print out or do other stuff - creative ideas welcome! You can get free Finale Notepad for Win/Mac at https://www.codamusic.com/coda/ . The MP3's were generated by Finale's Garritan Personal Orchestra sampled Steinway 'B', it's not me playing sad to say.

HAahhahaahahahahahaha

Way to follow through on what ah was too lazy to do

Question: Is this totally inverted (e for c etc) or just transposed and backward?

Cause ah got no idea what that stuff above is



NM:

Just downloaded the finale

It all makes sense now

[rimv2]

You wouldnt mind just posting the inverted version, would you?

[g_s_223]

Attached is the mirror inverted version in PDF form, which I hope will print out OK.

To get to this in Finale (Notepad), you need to select the Staff Tool, click a Piano 1 staff until the handles appear, then do a right-mouse button to bring up the context menu, then select Delete. Do this for the other one too. Or, you can use the Extract Parts facility.

The assignment of the out-of-range notes to the treble staff is done with MassEdit, select bass staff, then Plugins/TGTools/Cross-Staff, choose Pitches=Above, Cross Notes=Above.

Anyone who masters this study will have a MONSTER left hand... 

[rimv2]

Attached is the mirror inverted version in PDF form, which I hope will print out OK.

To get to this in Finale (Notepad), you need to select the Staff Tool, click a Piano 1 staff until the handles appear, then do a right-mouse button to bring up the context menu, then select Delete. Do this for the other one too. Or, you can use the Extract Parts facility.

The assignment of the out-of-range notes to the treble staff is done with MassEdit, select bass staff, then Plugins/TGTools/Cross-Staff, choose Pitches=Above, Cross Notes=Above.

Anyone who masters this study will have a MONSTER left hand... 

Dont believe the version ah dl'd can do this but thanks for the sheet

[jamie_liszt]

i think even the pros will be scared of playing this, crazy, good job

[etudes]

great job!
btw is that possible to play the combine version on one piano??? just curious becoz it sounds so awesome!

[rimv2]

great job!
btw is that possible to play the combine version on one piano??? just curious becoz it sounds so awesome!

only if your hands can pass through each other

or if you are a masochist

[g_s_223]

great job!
btw is that possible to play the combine version on one piano??? just curious becoz it sounds so awesome!

Jeez... Some people are gluttons for punishment.

What you could do is get two pianos facing keyboad-to-keyboard, with you sitting on a stool between them, and play the LH on one and the RH on the other.

You could play the rapid figurations on each piano simultaneously without needing hands that can pass through each other; fitting in the slower-moving parts in the respective "other" staves could be more of a problem.

In this scenario you could pedal each piano seperately also, but you could end up doing the splits.

 

[rimv2]

Jeez... Some people are gluttons for punishment.

What you could do is get two pianos facing keyboad-to-keyboard, with you sitting on a stool between them, and play the LH on one and the RH on the other.

You could play the rapid figurations on each piano simultaneously without needing hands that can pass through each other; fitting in the slower-moving parts in the respective "other" staves could be more of a problem.

In this scenario you could pedal each piano seperately also, but you could end up doing the splits.

 

or you could simply play every above middle d with the right hand and everything below with the left

thought this still would be painfully difficult

[etudes]

or you could simply play every above middle d with the right hand and everything below with the left

thought this still would be painfully difficult

yeah i am thinking about this way which not pass the hand but switching hands but it could be damn difficult 

[rimv2]

yeah i am thinking about this way which not pass the hand but switching hands but it could be *** difficult 

Thats more than an understatement