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Offline faj

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Grand Polonaise Op.22 - F. Chopin
on: May 23, 2006, 09:41:53 AM
Without orchestra.
I messed up at some places and have no Idea to "by pass" empty Bars (which is should be filled by orchestra) at the ending.
Anyway, glad to hear any comments.

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Re: Grand Polonaise Op.22 - F. Chopin
Reply #1 on: May 23, 2006, 11:45:19 AM
Hi
While I'll listen...here's some Vladimir something playing it, maybe will give you some idea how to fill in for the orchestra :)

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Re: Grand Polonaise Op.22 - F. Chopin
Reply #2 on: May 23, 2006, 12:16:13 PM

Oddly, sometimes you sound as if you are really on top of the difficulties, other times as if it's way out of your reach!:-)
Through the mist of noise (hiss, and is that a baby sounding?) you seem to have a beautiful tone everywhere, phrasings and rhythms heading in the right direction. You need to practice it more.

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Re: Grand Polonaise Op.22 - F. Chopin
Reply #3 on: May 25, 2006, 11:58:58 PM
Hi!  Thanks again for your comment.
Your vladimir's recording talk a lot about mine  :-\
He's technique is also soo great..... machine precision ! .......
Do you have the score ?  ;D

Btw, I heard yr recording of Beethoven's sonata , that's  top quality, both your playing and recording quality.
What mic did you use? how far the distance from piano?

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Re: Grand Polonaise Op.22 - F. Chopin
Reply #4 on: May 26, 2006, 12:42:54 AM
Thanks, very kind of you!

Well, Beethoven Tempest sonata:
2 Behringer ECM8000 omnidirectional microphones
ca 70cm between the mics, ca 2,5m above floor, ca 50cm from piano

Beethoven op2nr1:
2 ADK A51TL, multipattern microphones, set to cardioid
same distances as above

Bach inventions and Chopin mazurka:
2 Project G Ribbon microphones, fixed figure-of-eight
M/S-stereo, one on top of the other, ca 2m above floor, ca 30cm from piano

Piano is a Steinway O in a church, no effects added, this is simply how that piano sounds in that church with those mics placed at those positions. And of course, with me playing:-)

What are you using when recording?

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Re: Grand Polonaise Op.22 - F. Chopin
Reply #5 on: May 29, 2006, 03:18:07 AM
Wow, you're using top notch Piano and recording equipments ! the room's acoustic is also beautiful ..
I don't have microphone, so I'm using Sony Handycam CCD-SC55E PAL, via phone jack, connected it to PC's line in. During recording, I need to press record button just for dummy otherwise it will automatically turned off after abt 5 minutes. 
Distance is abt 6 meters from Piano (because the cable is not long enough)
My piano is Yamaha U-1 (year 1980).
I know I can't make a high quality recording with these equipments and sorry for this, but I only need feedback to grow toward right direction.

Btw, where did you get that Vladimir's recording? the more I heard that recording, I'm sure that's played with slow tempo, but then he speed up the tempo after recorded. I don't know how he did it (without changing pitch), but the "decay time" of the piano sound is also being speeded up..  make it sounds too dry, not due to pedaling. .... correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not so difficult to detect, especially if you also have played the same piece.

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Re: Grand Polonaise Op.22 - F. Chopin
Reply #6 on: May 29, 2006, 06:09:03 AM
and have no Idea to "by pass" empty Bars (which is should be filled by orchestra) at the ending.


You need to go get yourself the solo piano version.

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Re: Grand Polonaise Op.22 - F. Chopin
Reply #7 on: May 29, 2006, 04:50:02 PM
Btw, where did you get that Vladimir's recording? the more I heard that recording, I'm sure that's played with slow tempo, but then he speed up the tempo after recorded. I don't know how he did it (without changing pitch), but the "decay time" of the piano sound is also being speeded up..  make it sounds too dry, not due to pedaling. .... correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not so difficult to detect, especially if you also have played the same piece.

The recording was made 1945. Typical of the era was that recordings were done in studios, not like today - in concert halls, which explains the dryness. Also typical was that one recorded straight on to a soft wax record. No editing was possible. So, it is indeed performed exactly like it is. Tape recordings came later, which also made it possible to edit. When they release these recordings on CD nowadays, they either use the original "master" record, or a copy of the commercially released 75rpm records. The speed, the clarity, the unbelievable virtuosity can only be explained by the fact that this particular Vladimir is often thought of as the greatest virtuoso who ever lived!:-)

I posted it so that you could hear how the orchestral parts are traditionally replaced. Also, usually it is preceded by the lovely Andante Spianato, which I beleive Chopin composed exclusively for the solo piano version. Do you play that too?

Best regards

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Re: Grand Polonaise Op.22 - F. Chopin
Reply #8 on: June 02, 2006, 01:26:57 AM
Yes, I got the score from Sheet Music Archive, Andante Spianato included.
But didn't find the solo piano version for Grand Polonaise itself.    :(
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