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Topic: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)  (Read 3315 times)

Offline nicco

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What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
on: November 02, 2006, 04:32:33 PM
A friend of mine discovered a strange error in the dante sonata. On page 27, in the part with the Andante tremolos, in the 8th measure after the andante start, the tremolos go downwards in octaves: A - G - F#. This is the same in 3 different editions i have. However, in the recordings of Leslie howard, Lazar berman, Enrico pace and some guy named Barillan, they all seem to play G# instead of G. The only one playing correctly that i have heard so far is Andsnes. Can anyone compare with other recordings or shed some light to this matter? I am using the cortot edition.
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Re: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
Reply #1 on: November 02, 2006, 09:49:35 PM
A friend of mine discovered a strange error in the dante sonata. On page 27, in the part with the Andante tremolos, in the 8th measure after the andante start, the tremolos go downwards in octaves: A - G - F#. This is the same in 3 different editions i have. However, in the recordings of Leslie howard, Lazar berman, Enrico pace and some guy named Barillan, they all seem to play G# instead of G. The only one playing correctly that i have heard so far is Andsnes. Can anyone compare with other recordings or shed some light to this matter? I am using the cortot edition.

My Henle urtext says G and my recording by Stephen Hough too.

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Re: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
Reply #2 on: November 02, 2006, 11:14:58 PM
curious, as always, about musicological questions - i googled various things to find out what other said about this 'discrepancy.'  the only thing i have found so far is a short description of a lecture from david trippett (harvard uni) who said:

"the dante sonata was notated and revised by liszt over nineteen years (1839-1858) in at least four manuscripts, using three copyists, and four titles...the dante sonata is the static embodiment of thousands of hours of improvisation captured in 'logical' form..."

he mentions self-borrowing and interchangeability of texts - as normal. 

www.ams-net.org/Abstracts/2005-CD.pdf  (approx. pg 71)  friday morning



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Re: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
Reply #3 on: November 03, 2006, 12:40:05 AM
my recording by Stephen Hough too.

How is it?

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Re: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
Reply #4 on: November 03, 2006, 08:06:24 AM
Thanks pianistimo :)

Despite all these manuscripts i am still to see an edition wich has a g# in it. Wolfis urtext has a G, and the one on piano.ru has a g. That makes 5 different editions, and still the majority seems to play the G#. Really strange. Does anyone have the editio budapest?
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Re: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
Reply #5 on: November 03, 2006, 11:23:54 AM
How is it?

It is  great, i love it. :) Virtuoso and rich in content.

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Re: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 06:47:09 PM
A friend of mine discovered a strange error in the dante sonata. On page 27, in the part with the Andante tremolos, in the 8th measure after the andante start, the tremolos go downwards in octaves: A - G - F#. This is the same in 3 different editions i have. However, in the recordings of Leslie howard, Lazar berman, Enrico pace and some guy named Barillan, they all seem to play G# instead of G. The only one playing correctly that i have heard so far is Andsnes. Can anyone compare with other recordings or shed some light to this matter? I am using the cortot edition.
I'm at university right now, so I can't tell you what my Dover edition at home has.  However, in the edition available for download here at pianostreet, the G tremolo has #'s in brackets.

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Re: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
Reply #7 on: November 09, 2006, 04:03:25 PM
My Schirmer edition has no sharp or natural sign, so it is a G natural. My Edito Musica Budapest edition specifically has the natural sign, with the following footnote:

"*The g's are not altered to g-sharp in any of the editions (used for the editing of this edition)"

Phil

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Re: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
Reply #8 on: November 09, 2006, 04:16:23 PM
Send an email to Howard and ask him about it. He may not be the greatest Liszt performer. He is a musiciologist as well.
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Re: What does your edition say (Dante sonata)
Reply #9 on: November 09, 2006, 04:18:24 PM
That is quite interesting phil, thanks.

And thank you prometheus, ill do just that.
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