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Offline jhon

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on: June 24, 2005, 07:13:28 PM
What's the hardest piece you have played at your youngest age?

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Reply #1 on: June 24, 2005, 07:39:44 PM
I'm not sure I understand your question, but I started working on the Hungarian Rhapsody #2 by Franz Liszt at age 13, and got it up to performance level in about 5 months. Prior to that I had learned Mendelssohn's Rondo Capriccioso at 12. Is this what you wanted to know?

By the way, by creating this thread, you are opening the door for a lot of people to brag... just so you aren't suprised if this thread falls apart.

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Reply #2 on: June 24, 2005, 08:43:05 PM
Polonaise Op. 53 at 12, it wasn't good, it was bad, but I memorised the whole piece and my octz were fast and correct.

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Reply #3 on: June 24, 2005, 08:54:55 PM
prokofiev second concerto when  I was 16 months old.   At 2 and a half the pressure of the concert life got to me, and all the other kids in the nursery looked down at me and wouldn't share their toys with me.  After my Carnegie hall debut when i was 3 years old, I decided to call it quits.  However at 3 and a half years old I made my triumphant return to the concert world playing Rachamninoff's 3rd piano concerto with the New York symphony. Critics praised the performance saying, "He plays like a 6 year old",  and "His touch is as exuisite as a 14 and a half year old".  Vladamir Horowitz, present at the time said "He plays the 3rd concerto better than myself"

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Reply #4 on: June 24, 2005, 08:57:57 PM
Fur Elise at 11.
Ave Maria at 10.

I started my piano a year ago July 6th. I'm 11 by the way.
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Reply #5 on: June 24, 2005, 09:23:01 PM
prokofiev second concerto when  I was 16 months old.   At 2 and a half the pressure of the concert life got to me, and all the other kids in the nursery looked down at me and wouldn't share their toys with me.  After my Carnegie hall debut when i was 3 years old, I decided to call it quits.  However at 3 and a half years old I made my triumphant return to the concert world playing Rachamninoff's 3rd piano concerto with the New York symphony. Critics praised the performance saying, "He plays like a 6 year old",  and "His touch is as exuisite as a 14 and a half year old".  Vladamir Horowitz, present at the time said "He plays the 3rd concerto better than myself"



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Reply #6 on: June 24, 2005, 10:36:02 PM


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Reply #7 on: June 24, 2005, 10:52:43 PM
music is not about difficulty.

hate these threads. probably jealousy tbh.
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Reply #8 on: June 25, 2005, 09:53:19 AM
Chopin's 1rst Concerto at the age of 12 live. Oh wait, that was Kissin...

I havent played any hard piece, I guess I just play my level.

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Reply #9 on: June 25, 2005, 10:30:50 PM
I couldn't play anything difficult as a child. But I have seen a girl playing an impressive Partita no. 5 at age 10 and the same girl playing a recital consisted of the following:

Mozart Sonata K576
Debussy- Jardin Sous la Pluie
-La fille aux cheveux de lin
Beethoven Concerto No. 1
Bartok- Rumanian Folk Dances

at age 12.

My feeling towards her was one of admiration and awe. She's very good. I wonder where she is now...I wish I could see her and hear her today and see what's she's doing with her talents.

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Reply #10 on: June 26, 2005, 12:20:26 AM
It appears as though some dislike the idea of this thread for certain reasons.  As to not contribute to that, I'll just try to be as honest as possible. 

The first peice of any dificulity must have been Fan Impromptu - Chopin
as I was so hell bent on playing it because they didn't make a simplified version for anything else but the middle.
Judging by recital times, I must have been 11.

And over the next 3 years, regarding difficult peices I added:
Revolutionary Etude
Polonaise in A flat
Prelude No 24 in D minor

Now a couple of very insignificant points:
Revolutionary.....performed about 85% of the notes in the left hand with more pedal than Mario Andretti

Prelude No 24.......eliminated the 4th bass note of every grouping for every messure, with the exception of the messure containing the descending chromatic scale in the right hand in which I completely stopped.....again staked my claim for pedal king.

Polonaise.....40% of the  phrases in the entire peice where I played every note to the chords in both hands.  Cut out 1/2 of the first bridge section & cut out the ENTIRE section joining the LH Octave middle with the reprise. 

How the hell does that grab ya.

I'm not mentioning this to be funny or pathetic.....I'm mentioning it as a 29yr old as a WARNING to people 1/2 my age....give me your attention for this thread and after, you are on your own....if just 1 person gets something from this, then I would be very satisfied, but I hope that none of you will ever need to get something from this thread

I will say this:  I still have the video of the Impromptu, and besides touch and lacking the refinment of phrasing and voicings, it isn't too bad.  It was played complete, a mistake here and there, and at proper tempo....thats the result of an 11 yr old who has some commitment to the work but still with too much eagerness and not enough paticence.

As long as I can remember, everyone always told me that there was some emotional aspect of my playing that they loved....those who knew reffered to it as rare, as I could get away with mistakes or faulty technique because  I had something of higher value to compansate for it......that's what they said, not what I say.   But sometimes talent is dangerous, as is having more than 1 passion.  You don't devote the proper time, so you get lazy and cut corners.  You find yourself only wanting to play the good/fun/beautiful/difficult parts of peices....."why play this boring part when you could start this new peice?'  And still, because most people are cutting parts out of peices, and most people dont even know better, or non musical people even if they know they will focus on their favorite part, the melody, which you have down perfect.  So this terrible hypocrasy, this terrible betrail regarding the composer, the work, and against yourself as an artist is being allowed to continue because u are shamelessly leaning on a special talent.  And the terrible part is, that you don't know that you are doing it, because you are a good person who just has a hell of a lot of things to do an responsibilities that came along with your life.  Then since you don't have a very good teacher, you realize that you have learned everything on your own, so u stop with lessons pre-college and start playing less.  It is only 10+ years later when you in your mid-late twenties that you learn to play peices for real.  But you can't play your favorites like the Polonaise and Prelude because the damage is so deep that I'm still fixing them (Prelude is close).  It's easier for you to learn new peices from scratch then correct a peice learned wrong.

And to highlight the moral of the story.  As I said, those 3 peices that I learned wrong, I have still never taken the time to correct them, so I play them wrong, and I have blocks in certain areas that are hard to erase.  Now here is the said part, the Fantasy Impromptu was learned correct, and I replayed it at a semi-concert.  Now I'm not saying this to be arrogant, on the contrary, I'm saying this dumb I was....how naive.  When I havent played the piano in months, the fantasy needs about 1/2 hour to sound decent, and I have no idea how long it takes me to get back to playing that at a master level, but I know its not very long.  But that peice, when I am fully practiced, I can honesly say that I play it better than any recordings I've heard, and I don't believe I just said that because I hate 'that guy' but understand that I say that for the people with talent that are 1/2 my age.....dont be me....because I remind myself constantly what would have happened to the Polonaise, Prelude, & Etude if I had given the same effort as the Fantasy, because those are some of my favorites but I still have not kept the promise I made to myself to re learn them......I hope I will someday.

SO I DONT CARE WHAT AGE YOU ARE!!!  How true are you to the composer and to yourself, thats what counts, because then you are playing music and you will be playing that music for a long time.  Plus with difficult peices all that matters if you can play them at any age....just play them as written  ;D

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Reply #11 on: June 26, 2005, 02:09:39 AM
When I was 7 I played Sorabji Sonata 2 with my back to the piano.  It was pretty crazy, especially considering I sight read it

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Reply #12 on: June 26, 2005, 05:04:55 AM
It seems everyone is taking that question without analysing it thoroughly...
What's the hardest piece you have played at your youngest age?

Everyone seems to take the obvious option, that is to take the relatively hardest piece played at the "youngest" age. But of course, its fairly ambiguous. You could see the question in these ways

1) The hardest piece you ever played, what age were you?
2) When you were youngest, what was the hardest piece you played. This doesn't make sense, but you could also say "When you started playing the piano, what was the hardest piece you played"

So i'll go with option 2. John Thomson series for beginners. :P


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Reply #13 on: June 27, 2005, 01:02:42 AM
i dont know...but i played first movement of pathetique at 12 or 13, Chopin polonaise op40 (A Major) during 7th grade...err, Beethoven Moonlight at 13..hm at 16 (thisyear) i played prokofievse op12 no10 (i havent came close to mastering it tho) and chopins etude op10 no4..i dont know..i dont think it really matters about technical difficulty, the musical part is more important, as i have come to realize..

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Reply #14 on: June 27, 2005, 01:33:38 AM
I could play the Mephisto Waltz at 15.

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Reply #15 on: June 27, 2005, 08:06:57 AM
ugh..newbs..

whilste still in prenatal stages of my life..in the woumb of course...

i would tinker and improvise on my mother's placenta..it rarely kept a tune so i was a more frequent user of the pancrease..diaphram and kidneys...i would use her apendix to do some improve and work on technique..octave jumps..scale drills etc etc...during her food binges..depending on how spicey the tacos were that night..her stomach gas secretion made for great bass and i took advantage of these whilste practicing chopin prelude no 24 "the chase"...ah yes..but to sum it up...at about 7 months into life in the woumb..i could pull off sorajbi's 240 page 4 hour long piece..in only 15 minutes..skilled?..well i wouldnt say all that..i am quite the modest virtuoso..lets just say im godly and better than you will ever be so just quit you losers...ehem...quite..
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Reply #16 on: June 27, 2005, 08:08:57 AM
Rachmaninoff, Prelude Op. 3 No. 2

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Reply #17 on: June 27, 2005, 11:11:34 AM
i could pull off sorajbi's 240 page 4 hour long piece..in only 15 minutes..skilled

So, you looked at the score?  Quite intimidating, eh?
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Reply #18 on: June 27, 2005, 12:30:54 PM
Yah, I sightread sorabji's opus clavicembalisticum perfectly 1 hour after birth. Sorabji himself heard it and was moved to tears cos he thought I played it so beautifully. I then had beethovens 32 piano sonatas, all chopins etudes(also the godowsky chopin etudes), liszt transcendental etudes and the entire well tempered clavier perfected and completely memorised by the time I was one week old.I was accepted into Julliard the same week and by the time I was 6 months old I had three doctorate degrees (in piano performance, mathematics and psychology).Beat that!!! :P  ;)

Well ok, no I obviously didnt. I started kida late compared to most so I wasnt like a phenomenal virtuoso by age 10 or anything like that. I dont see the point in bragging about who played what at the youngest age or who reached grade 8 quicker. Its not a race. People should be more concerned about how theyre playing their pieces. I know there is a small minority of people who do amazing things at really young ages but quite honestly I saw a thread like this on another forum ages ago and I wouldnt believe half the stuff I read on it. Things like " oh I performed rach 3 live at age 11"  ..... yeah right. Its not about the difficulty.

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Reply #19 on: June 27, 2005, 09:35:56 PM
It seems everyone is taking that question without analysing it thoroughly...
Everyone seems to take the obvious option, that is to take the relatively hardest piece played at the "youngest" age. But of course, its fairly ambiguous. You could see the question in these ways

1) The hardest piece you ever played, what age were you?
2) When you were youngest, what was the hardest piece you played. This doesn't make sense, but you could also say "When you started playing the piano, what was the hardest piece you played"

So i'll go with option 2. John Thomson series for beginners. :P


I actually laughed when I read this.  Dazzer's right!  The question of this thread doesn't exactly make sense by itself, so everyone's been interpreting the question in thier own way.  I'll go ahead and answer both though.

1)  I played "Ondine" last year, when I was 18.  I felt I understood the piece and could play it musically, but my problem was that my technique was rather poor at that time (still isn't amazing).  So I would hit only about 95% of the notes when I was playing it best, and had to "fudge" over the harder parts, like the climatic section.  Needless to say, that was a mistake!  It's been months since I've played it, I'm hoping my fingers will forget it and that I can re-learn it better at a later time.

2)  If you take this to its logical conclusion, it just means "what's the first piece you played."  I started piano when I was 11 years old, and it's so long ago that honestly I don't remember what I played first.  I know I started with the Hal Leonard piano method books.  And I seen to recall that the first pieces in the book used only the black keys of the piano.

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Reply #20 on: June 28, 2005, 03:39:43 AM
What's the hardest piece you have played at your youngest age?

Bach Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue and Chopin Black Key Etude at around age 11. Most of that period of my life is a blur to be honest.

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Reply #21 on: June 28, 2005, 06:17:04 PM
It seems everyone is taking that question without analysing it thoroughly...
Everyone seems to take the obvious option, that is to take the relatively hardest piece played at the "youngest" age. But of course, its fairly ambiguous. You could see the question in these ways

1) The hardest piece you ever played, what age were you?
2) When you were youngest, what was the hardest piece you played. This doesn't make sense, but you could also say..."When you started playing the piano, what was the hardest piece you played"

So i'll go with option 2. John Thomson series for beginners. :P




I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.  You know, I'm a Filipino and my English is not really good.  Also, I'm in a hurry when I was creating this topic.  And yes - what I really meant is #2 above.

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Reply #22 on: June 28, 2005, 06:27:02 PM
i thought playing bach inventions was good.  no, never tried sightreading backwards, but i did accidentally think in a chopin impromptu that the fancy writing of 'Ped' (for pedal) stood for 'Leo.'  i asked my teacher, who's leo?  he laughed and laughed.  i don't think he ever got over it (and wondered what would happen to me).
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Reply #23 on: June 29, 2005, 02:33:40 PM
I was in a competetion this past week and I got 2nd in my age group. Luckily I didn't have to play against the 11 year old group because the winner there played Debussy's
Feux d'artifice. ugh.

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Reply #24 on: June 30, 2005, 12:35:42 AM
appassionata and waldstein at 12, though that's not like as super impressive as alot of pianists.

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Reply #25 on: June 30, 2005, 04:48:08 PM
prokofiev second concerto when  I was 16 months old.   At 2 and a half the pressure of the concert life got to me, and all the other kids in the nursery looked down at me and wouldn't share their toys with me.  After my Carnegie hall debut when i was 3 years old, I decided to call it quits.  However at 3 and a half years old I made my triumphant return to the concert world playing Rachamninoff's 3rd piano concerto with the New York symphony. Critics praised the performance saying, "He plays like a 6 year old",  and "His touch is as exuisite as a 14 and a half year old".  Vladamir Horowitz, present at the time said "He plays the 3rd concerto better than myself"


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Reply #26 on: June 30, 2005, 05:14:45 PM
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..i could pull off sorajbi's 240 page 4 hour long piece..in only 15 minutes..skilled?

I think you meant

pull off sorabji's 240 page 4 hour long piece from the dusty top of your grandparent's bookshelves in the attic of a derelict structure in only 15 minutes. :D now that sounds more plausible... :)

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Reply #27 on: July 02, 2005, 04:38:20 AM
chopin etude op 25 no 1---- 10 yrs
fant.ipm 66-----11yrs.
hungarian rhap--- somewhere around this time, i cant remember.

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Reply #28 on: July 02, 2005, 07:21:00 AM
i laugh at the people who took this thread seriously...






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