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Offline steinwayguy

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #50 on: July 06, 2005, 04:40:48 AM »
Yes, Jazz. Most of Rachmaninoff's works have a very strong Jazz influence. Take the 2nd Piano Concerto for instance, possibly the most obvious example. Living in the '20s, '30s, and '40s, it makes perfect sense that Jazz would have an effect in his music.

The only time he mentioned jazz was in reference to the famous "ragtime" (God forbid) variation in the Arietta of 111. That's what I was referring to, not Rachmaninoff.

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #51 on: July 06, 2005, 04:42:39 AM »
we need 16, 28 and 29 and we will be done ^^  who here knows teh hammerklavier?

I played the first, second, and third movements of Op.106 a few years ago. When it was suggested to me that I learn the fourth, I said no. I probably will some day, but frankly, I can't stand the fugue. Besides the fact it is undoubtedly the most difficult movement, it is possibly one of the most dissonant/irritating movements Beethoven ever wrote for piano. And the "subject" is nothing but runs... exciting.

I wonder if Koji has played the complete sonata.

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #52 on: July 06, 2005, 04:48:17 AM »
Im just switching pokeys to skeptos, and jenni R is like one of my besties on here so meh she can double ^^
'Ey, come on now, enforcing the "no doubling in the interest of reducing clutter" rule and then playing favourites in who gets to break it isn't exactly consistent, is it?  And abandoning the rule would certainly lead to chaos as I'd imagine nearly everyone who posts to these boards can play at least one Beethoven sonata, and some of them (especially the ones with names) are more popular than others.  But please at least be consistent in applying it rather than playing favourites, right?  Yeah, I know this is all in fun, but it seems as though it'll be more fun for some than for others under these rules. :)

So what is left now?  Op.31 No.1, Op.101, and Op.106, by the look of it - surely this thread will be read by someone who plays those last two in their entirety eventually, at least I hope so. (By the way, dmk, do you mean the sonatas Op.14 No.2 and Op.22 are bad or your renditions of them are bad to your ears?  'Cos I can play a seriously mediocre rendition of Op.31 No.1 but don't feel right in adding it to the list.) Twenty-nine out of thirty-two, not too shabby! :)

I wonder if this sort of list could be compiled with any other sets of pieces - for example, the Prokofiev sonatas, or the Scriabin sonatas, or the Rachmaninov Preludes or Etudes-Tableaux, or the Liszt Hungarian Rhapsodies, or the Chopin anythings.  The complete works of Chopin, even! (Let's face it, he wasn't the most prolific composer, and his early death doesn't quite explain it away since that didn't stop Schubert or Mozart from writing volumes upon volumes - and the popularity of Chopin might almost make a complete list possible!  Perhaps there are even people here who have played the accompaniment to the pieces for cello or voice and piano?)

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #53 on: July 06, 2005, 04:54:37 AM »
arg i despise the 106.  i think it's some seriously crappy music.  loud, repetitive and boring.


about the double-posting...... this is my thread, and well...... im freakin skeptopotamus.  i do what i want XD


and chopin was an EXTREMELY prolific composer.... trust me we cant do him.  And i unno if anyone here will know the prok sons 5 or 9 cause like nobody plays them.  but we could do it with alot ^^  why dont you start one of those threads hun =)

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #54 on: July 06, 2005, 06:58:25 AM »

So what is left now?  Op.31 No.1, Op.101, and Op.106, by the look of it - surely this thread will be read by someone who plays those last two in their entirety eventually, at least I hope so. (By the way, dmk, do you mean the sonatas Op.14 No.2 and Op.22 are bad or your renditions of them are bad to your ears?  'Cos I can play a seriously mediocre rendition of Op.31 No.1 but don't feel right in adding it to the list.) Twenty-nine out of thirty-two, not too shabby! :)


No my renditions are OK....just that all my good and fun ones are taken up by others :)

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #55 on: July 06, 2005, 07:20:04 AM »
hey guys mei-ting knows 16, 28 and 29.  someone who he doesn't hate: please go get him to finish off this thread ^^

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #56 on: July 06, 2005, 07:46:43 AM »
jazz? >:(

agreed!


Hey dmk, wow, that is cool that you play both the op.22 and op.54. You will agree that these receive the least recognition of all the Sonatas (you say yourself that these are the crappy ones...). How many other do you play then that you take the time to learn these (especially "good old 54" because as I see it, the enjoyment here is more intellectual/formal than emotional...)?


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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #57 on: July 06, 2005, 07:51:23 AM »
op. 54 was played in the second international e-comp by tatiana kolesova, my personal favorite for both comps ^^ (well ok i think korshin-skaya should have won 1st but kolesova should have taken 2nd....MT a distant 3rd ^^)

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #58 on: July 06, 2005, 08:03:44 AM »
All my good ones are taken so I am going to have to lay claim to all the crappy ones I can play!!!


No. 1- Op. 2 No. 1 -------------------------------Rach3
No. 2- Op. 2 No. 2 -------------------------------mrdaveux
No. 3- Op. 2 No. 3 --------------------------------Thalbergmad
No. 4- Op. 7 --------------------------------------SteinwayGuy
No. 5- Op. 10 No. 1 -----------------------------Rach3
No. 6- Op. 10 No. 2 -----------------------------SteinwayGuy
No. 7- Op. 10 No. 3 -----------------------------pianonut
No. 8- Op. 13 "Pathetique" -------------------vaiva, Jenni R
No. 9- Op. 14 No. 1 -----------------------------TheHammer
No.10- Op. 14 No.2 ----------------------------- dmk
No.11- Op. 22------------------------------------ dmk
No. 12- Op. 26 ----------------------------------sharon_f
No. 13- Op. 27 No. 1 ---------------------------Tash, Jenni R
No. 14- Op. 27 No. 2 "Moonlight" ------------Skeptopotamus, Jenni R
No. 15- Op. 28 "Pastoral" ---------------------SteinwayGuy
No. 17- Op. 31 No. 2 "Tempest" -------------pianonut, Jenni R
No. 18- Op. 31 No. 3 "Hunt" ------------------mlsmithz
No. 19- Op. 49 No.1 ----------------------------eusebius27
No. 20- Op. 49 No. 2 ---------------------------TheHammer, Jenni R
No. 21- Op. 53 "Waldstein" -------------------Skeptopotamus and pianonut ONLY XD
No. 22- Op. 54 -----------------------------------dmk
No. 23- Op. 57 "Appassionata" --------------TheHammer
No. 24- Op. 78 -----------------------------------vaiva
No. 25- Op. 79 -----------------------------------pianonut
No. 26- Op. 81a "Les Adieux" -----------------Rach3
No. 27- Op. 90 -----------------------------------Motrax
No. 30- Op. 109 ---------------------------------Skeptopotamus
No. 31- Op. 110 --------------------------------eusebius27
No. 32- Op. 111 ---------------------------------Rach334

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #59 on: July 06, 2005, 08:10:25 AM »
aww dont cry!  *hugs*  go put up any of your scarlatti or mozart sonatas on the other two threads.

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #60 on: July 06, 2005, 08:34:35 AM »
aww dont cry!  *hugs*  go put up any of your scarlatti or mozart sonatas on the other two threads.

I don't play any sonatas of Scarlatti, but check the thread about Mozart sonatas  ;D *Me happy again*  :P
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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #61 on: July 06, 2005, 09:28:35 AM »
yay!  and i love your signature ^^  *loves philosophy*  but ill take camus over sartre any day XD

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #62 on: July 06, 2005, 09:29:38 AM »
I play no 16 (op 31 no 1) - why doesn't anyone else play it?  I love this one.  It's mine!

No. 1- Op. 2 No. 1 -------------------------------Rach3
No. 2- Op. 2 No. 2 -------------------------------mrdaveux
No. 3- Op. 2 No. 3 --------------------------------Thalbergmad
No. 4- Op. 7 --------------------------------------SteinwayGuy
No. 5- Op. 10 No. 1 -----------------------------Rach3
No. 6- Op. 10 No. 2 -----------------------------SteinwayGuy
No. 7- Op. 10 No. 3 -----------------------------pianonut
No. 8- Op. 13 "Pathetique" -------------------vaiva, Jenni R
No. 9- Op. 14 No. 1 -----------------------------TheHammer
No.10- Op. 14 No.2 ----------------------------- dmk
No.11- Op. 22------------------------------------ dmk
No. 12- Op. 26 ----------------------------------sharon_f
No. 13- Op. 27 No. 1 ---------------------------Tash, Jenni R
No. 14- Op. 27 No. 2 "Moonlight" ------------Skeptopotamus, Jenni R
No. 15- Op. 28 "Pastoral" ---------------------SteinwayGuy
No. 16 - Op. 31 No. 1 --------------------------galonia
No. 17- Op. 31 No. 2 "Tempest" -------------pianonut, Jenni R
No. 18- Op. 31 No. 3 "Hunt" ------------------mlsmithz
No. 19- Op. 49 No.1 ----------------------------eusebius27
No. 20- Op. 49 No. 2 ---------------------------TheHammer, Jenni R
No. 21- Op. 53 "Waldstein" -------------------Skeptopotamus and pianonut ONLY XD
No. 22- Op. 54 -----------------------------------dmk
No. 23- Op. 57 "Appassionata" --------------TheHammer
No. 24- Op. 78 -----------------------------------vaiva
No. 25- Op. 79 -----------------------------------pianonut
No. 26- Op. 81a "Les Adieux" -----------------Rach3
No. 27- Op. 90 -----------------------------------Motrax
No. 30- Op. 109 ---------------------------------Skeptopotamus
No. 31- Op. 110 --------------------------------eusebius27
No. 32- Op. 111 ---------------------------------Rach334

Offline mlsmithz

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«Reply #63 on: July 06, 2005, 02:04:46 PM »
arg i despise the 106.  i think it's some seriously crappy music.  loud, repetitive and boring.
Still missing from this list, though, and it won't be complete until we find someone who likes it enough and has the raw talent and musicality to play it.  Surely someone who fits that bill must post to these boards! (Same for Op.101, the other remaining outlier.)

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about the double-posting...... this is my thread, and well...... im freakin skeptopotamus.  i do what i want XD
Pff.  Autocrat. :)

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and chopin was an EXTREMELY prolific composer.... trust me we cant do him.  And i unno if anyone here will know the prok sons 5 or 9 cause like nobody plays them.  but we could do it with alot ^^  why dont you start one of those threads hun =)
Chopin prolific?  Not really, his opus numbers only go up to 74, and except for 10, 25, and 28 said opus numbers never include more than five pieces (9 and 72 hit that number exactly but I can't think of any others).  There aren't a tremendous number of pieces without opus numbers either - certainly in contrast to Beethoven there are more Chopin works WITH opus numbers than without.   Throwing them all into one thread would be a mess (I'm a bit sceptical about the Scarlatti sonata thread since, even if a significant number out of the 555 have been played by the combined population of these boards, the thread will be quite difficult to read by the time lots of them have been taken), but if, say, the etudes and preludes were tackled in one thread and everything else in the other it could be done. (The complete works of LISZT, on the other hand....)

But as for doing it, there are already three threads sweeping the boards for people who have played the complete sonatas of three different composers, so it's perhaps best to wait until the Beethoven or Mozart lists are complete and have had some time to slide down the boards (if the Scarlatti list ends up complete I'll be very surprised and very impressed! :)).

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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #64 on: July 06, 2005, 03:13:18 PM »
We could either be so bold and just add meiting to the list for the big ones, because he has proven that he plays them and is a registered member.

Or, concerning op. 101, we could just accept my, "nowhere-near-perfect-nor-even-good" performance of this sonata. It was everything there except the last movement where some things were still a bit sloppy... you now, the Fuga and these not so funny trills at the end...but overall you could listen to it... :-\

And a Chopin thread is just the necessary conclusion of this, but I agree we should wait... and Liszt "could" be  challenge...

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«Reply #65 on: July 06, 2005, 03:50:16 PM »
Ok, heres my contribution to this delicious thread ::)

No. 1- Op. 2 No. 1 -------------------------------Rach3
No. 2- Op. 2 No. 2 -------------------------------mrdaveux
No. 3- Op. 2 No. 3 --------------------------------Thalbergmad
No. 4- Op. 7 --------------------------------------SteinwayGuy, pianojems
No. 5- Op. 10 No. 1 -----------------------------Rach3
No. 6- Op. 10 No. 2 -----------------------------SteinwayGuy
No. 7- Op. 10 No. 3 -----------------------------pianonut
No. 8- Op. 13 "Pathetique" -------------------vaiva, Jenni R, pianojems
No. 9- Op. 14 No. 1 -----------------------------TheHammer
No.10- Op. 14 No.2 ----------------------------- dmk
No.11- Op. 22------------------------------------ dmk
No. 12- Op. 26 ----------------------------------sharon_f
No. 13- Op. 27 No. 1 ---------------------------Tash, Jenni R
No. 14- Op. 27 No. 2 "Moonlight" ------------Skeptopotamus, Jenni R
No. 15- Op. 28 "Pastoral" ---------------------SteinwayGuy
No. 16 - Op. 31 No. 1 --------------------------galonia
No. 17- Op. 31 No. 2 "Tempest" -------------pianonut, Jenni R
No. 18- Op. 31 No. 3 "Hunt" ------------------mlsmithz, pianojems
No. 19- Op. 49 No.1 ----------------------------eusebius27
No. 20- Op. 49 No. 2 ---------------------------TheHammer, Jenni R
No. 21- Op. 53 "Waldstein" -------------------Skeptopotamus and pianonut ONLY XD
No. 22- Op. 54 -----------------------------------dmk
No. 23- Op. 57 "Appassionata" --------------TheHammer
No. 24- Op. 78 -----------------------------------vaiva
No. 25- Op. 79 -----------------------------------pianonut
No. 26- Op. 81a "Les Adieux" -----------------Rach3
No. 27- Op. 90 -----------------------------------Motrax
No. 30- Op. 109 ---------------------------------Skeptopotamus
No. 31- Op. 110 --------------------------------eusebius27
No. 32- Op. 111 ---------------------------------Rach334
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Re: Complete Beethoven Sonatas (this will be fun i promise ^^)
«Reply #66 on: July 07, 2005, 07:07:20 AM »
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Hey dmk, wow, that is cool that you play both the op.22 and op.54. You will agree that these receive the least recognition of all the Sonatas (you say yourself that these are the crappy ones...). How many other do you play then that you take the time to learn these (especially "good old 54" because as I see it, the enjoyment here is more intellectual/formal than emotional...)?


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Good question.....maybe I should have asked myself that..I didn't mean that they were crappy, I meant more than all my really good ones were already taken!

I played op 54 for by DipABRSM because I needed a short classical piece (because of the length of the rest of my program) and I wanted to play a sonata not variations...my teacher gave me this one because she thought it was relatively unknown and very few others would play it...seems she was right!!!

I played op 22 in a competition again because I figured it was unlikely that someone else would play it and in the same competition the previous year I had played op 27 n1..I actually didn't mind it
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«Reply #67 on: July 07, 2005, 01:25:46 PM »
I just finished Op. 22, I find no problem with it.  Beethoven thought it was a perfect sonata, calling it "in apple pie order," and that there was nothing to add or change.  Great melodies and ideas, IMO.
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