Fastest Chopin 28/16 prelude on record?

[orlandopiano]

Anyone?

[presto agitato]

Pollini 1:02.

Im sure Martha Argerich play it faster no matter if sounds horrible 

[JP]

0:58 <-- Aregerich
0:58 <-- Rubinstein

Pollini's sounds the best IMO, but Argerich's shows sharper technique.

[orlandopiano]

0:58 <-- Aregerich
0:58 <-- Rubinstein

Pollini's sounds the best IMO, but Argerich's shows sharper technique.

As far as know, the 3 fastest are Argerich, Kissin, and Rubinstein. I was just wondering if there were any faster.

[raymagini]

sorry to dig up an old post, but....

Mei Ting Sun, live in minneapolis

57 seconds

[chromatickler]

dong-hyek lim live, 54 seconds

[orlandopiano]

dong-hyek lim live, 54 seconds

That's impressive!  Are you sure a lot of that isn't from rushing through the opening six chords?

Also, anywhere I can get a recording of this?

[chromatickler]

without the chords (50secs), it's 2 seconds faster than the argerich studio (52 secs).

[stevie]

and argerich is pretty sloppy and uneven, dong sounds much more in control

[phi]

and argerich is pretty sloppy and uneven, dong sounds much more in control

I'm gonna tell her you said that

[spirithorn]

Just a comment:  The tempo marking is "Presto con fuoco", not "Prestissimo con fuoco"...

[hazypurple21]

Just a comment:  The tempo marking is "Presto con fuoco", not "Prestissimo con fuoco"...

Excellent point. I hate these kinda threads.

[thierry13]

Just a comment:  The tempo marking is "Presto con fuoco", not "Prestissimo con fuoco"...

Rachmaninoff prelude op.23 no.9 is presto and is slower than much allegros. With your logic, explain that to me.

[stevie]

Just a comment:  The tempo marking is "Presto con fuoco", not "Prestissimo con fuoco"...

tempo markings are there to be ignored, we all know chopin intended all his pieces to be played as fast as possible.

[BoliverAllmon]

tempo markings are there to be ignored, we all know chopin intended all his pieces to be played as fast as possible.

oh really?

[llamaman]

Some anyway. Just like Czerny 

[m]

Rachmaninoff prelude op.23 no.9 is presto and is slower than much allegros. With your logic, explain that to me.

Tempo in music is very relative. Presto in double notes (your example with Rachmaninov Prelude) can be slower than some Allegro. Also, keep in mind, Presto in 1/16 and Allegretto in 1/32  are also different, meaning that 1/32 Allegretto can be faster. Besides, tempo marks very often show the character of the music, rather than actual speed.

tempo markings are there to be ignored, we all know chopin intended all his pieces to be played as fast as possible.

There is something VERY WRONG with this. Mr. Chopin was not as dumb as your statement might suggest. Very clearly he marked it as Presto CON FUOCO. I really don't care about the tempo, as soon as "CON FUOCO" is there. I don't really care for either Argerich or Pogorelich tempos here. They play it fast and LIGHT, which IS completely contrary to what Chopin intended in this piece. 

In whole my life I heard only one person who did it right, and it was Gregory Sokolov. I heard him live three times with complete Chopin Preludes: in Novosibirsk (Siberia), Moscow (I believe the commercial recording was recorded then), and in S. Petersburg. Only once in this Prelude he managed to create this feeling of the whole world crushing. It was in Novosibirsk. I still have a bootleg recording of it. There is no sense of the tempo (however astounding it was), because the music was beyond of that. The only feeling I had then was of the piano roaring and moaning. Who cares about the tempo when it was achieved...

[quasimodo]

And, as it has been stated million times by knowledgeable people, the clearer, more articulate your notes are, the faster you sound. It's not a sprint competition.

[spirithorn]

Strange... if Chopin intended this to be a time trial from measure 2 on, then he was very foolish to indicate "stretto" at measure 30 and "sempre piu animato" at measure 34.  He must have momentarily forgotten his (apparently) obvious intention for this Prelude -- a virtuoso race against the stopwatch! 

[orlandopiano]

And, as it has been stated million times by knowledgeable people, the clearer, more articulate your notes are, the faster you sound. It's not a sprint competition.

And if this is the case then Kissin's sounds the fastest , although I have not heard dong-hyek or Mei-Ting's (if someone can offer me a link it would be greatly appreciated).

[quasimodo]

Samson François (1'00) is quite legendary (to me at least)

[etudes]

and argerich is pretty sloppy and uneven, dong sounds much more in control

anyway dong was presented by argerich (i think he also studied with her,he came to salzburg to study with jazinsky in masterclass)

[stevie]

anyway dong was presented by argerich (i think he also studied with her,he came to salzburg to study with jazinsky in masterclass)

well then he superceded his master then, his recording is live and simply technically superior.