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Offline BoliverAllmon

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getting worse as the go along
on: July 12, 2005, 02:57:10 PM
I hear all these stories of how composers became better with age. That they matured in there writing. Is there a composer who you think was great in the beginning, but he simply got worse as he got older?

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Re: getting worse as the go along
Reply #1 on: July 12, 2005, 03:37:45 PM
I wouldn't say he got worse, but I prefer Rachmaninov's romantic style to the more modern style he took on later in his life in the 4th concerto, and the paganini rhapsody.

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Re: getting worse as the go along
Reply #2 on: July 12, 2005, 03:42:36 PM
Some say that about Mendelssohn, that he was in his compositional prime in his teens (Rondo Capricioso, several overtures, etc). I'm not sure if I agree with that, he had some great works later on as well.

I can't really think of any other examples. Most composers it would seem get a little more experimental as they get older (or their style changes slightly with the changing trends, ie Beethoven, or Rachmaninoff as stated above), and I guess some could interepret this as either more developed or just more strange.
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Re: getting worse as the go along
Reply #3 on: July 12, 2005, 05:42:32 PM
schumann - at least in terms of piano-works. he started incredibly good - abegg, paganini etudes, carnival, davidsbundlertanze, kreisleriana, the sonatas, etc., all belong to his 1st creative period; then slowly went insane over his last years of life.

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Re: getting worse as the go along
Reply #4 on: July 12, 2005, 06:33:57 PM
I can agree with that one.

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Re: getting worse as the go along
Reply #5 on: July 12, 2005, 08:42:56 PM
I wouldn't say he got worse, but I prefer Rachmaninov's romantic style to the more modern style he took on later in his life in the 4th concerto, and the paganini rhapsody.
Superb example, completely agree.
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Offline pianonut

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Re: getting worse as the go along
Reply #6 on: July 12, 2005, 08:56:32 PM
personally, i never liked busoni in his early compositions or later ones.  guess that doesn't fit the question.  possibly, in terms of maturing - saint-saens kinda stayed the same to me.  but - as a matter of fact - i still like him, from beginning to end. he played the organ,too. and,on the side, enjoyed astronomy.  i always hear planets and stars in his music. 
do you know why benches fall apart?  it is because they have lids with little tiny hinges so you can store music inside them.  hint:  buy a bench that does not hinge.  buy it for sturdiness.

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Re: getting worse as the go along
Reply #7 on: July 13, 2005, 10:46:35 PM
I tend to think that the early Waller solos, "Blue Blackbottom", "Gladyse" and so on, recorded in his early twenties have a remarkable exuberance and drive which was not completely sustained in his later playing, which tended to be more formula driven and repetitive. All of his playing was excellent, but I do hear special things in his early pieces.
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