10/12 vs. 10/9

[BoliverAllmon]

which etude would you prefer for an audition?

[BoliverAllmon]

and is it reasonable to learn the notes and put them HT in around a month? not up to speed, but good enough to recognize the piece for my teacher.

[steinwayguy]

Neither is good for an audition I don't think, but if it has to be one of these two, 10/12 would be better.

Yes, these are generally considered two of the easier etudes and could probably be learned in 1-2 weeks each, depending on your work ethic.

[BoliverAllmon]

Neither is good for an audition I don't think, but if it has to be one of these two, 10/12 would be better.

Yes, these are generally considered two of the easier etudes and could probably be learned in 1-2 weeks each, depending on your work ethic.

I know that they are easier, but I don't think I am able to learn the others yet.

boliver

[BoliverAllmon]

Neither is good for an audition I don't think, but if it has to be one of these two, 10/12 would be better.

Yes, these are generally considered two of the easier etudes and could probably be learned in 1-2 weeks each, depending on your work ethic.

if not those which ones? and not 10/2 or something crazy like that.

[BoliverAllmon]

well really I need something virtuosic that I can get a good grasp of in 4 weeks. suggestions?

[BoliverAllmon]

oh and that is 4 weeks with an hour a day devoted to that piece.

[pseudopianist]

oh and that is 4 weeks with an hour a day devoted to that piece.

Thats not a lot of time, but since I don't know what piece you have played.
How about 25/10? Too much octave practise is not good so an hour per day would be perfect but you would have to work really hard on it.

If you want something easier techinqually I recomend 25/5, which I am currently working on, I haven't been playing for THAT long and it took me a week of haaaaaaard practise to make the first page sound somewhat like it should (NOT up to speed yet), after that you get a grasp of the technique needed but then everything is turned upside down when it comes the next variation.


Out of the two etudes 10/12 and no 9 I would choose number 9. It is my least favourit etude (after 25/8) but if you can pull this etude of really well I think it will impress a lot. 10/12 is a great etude but since it is quite overplayed you really need to make it fantasic to get their attention.

Just a thought.

[BoliverAllmon]

well what about chopin's first waltz? I thought I was learning it pretty good, but my teacher thought it was above me so I put it aside. what if I learned the crap out of it and played it for him in the fall? would that be too big of a gamble? would I possibly run into the problem of wasting my time because my teacher will just say again to put it aside?

[pianohopper]

a really virtuosic piece probably wouldn't be possible in that period of time -- for me at least, i don't know about you boliver.  I would suggest that you look into Debussy's Prelude (from Suite Bergamasque).  It is certainly attainable in four weeks if you practice right.  Some nice fingery passages and some good chords too. 

10/12 - if you play that, it will be impressive certainly.  very technically demanding and with great chords and velocity.  but the left hand must be clean enough to take a dictation from!  or else it's no good (i made the mistake of trying to resurrect it for an audition and it didn't turn out so well...i had more time than you too, but still wasnt enuf.)

10/9 - definitely difficult, although not as demanding as the revolutionary. 

depending on what kind of audition it is, though...if it's for school they're more concerned about technique and hitting the right notes, as opposed to a contest or entrance audition they would be more interested in virtuosity. 

another thought - 1st mvmnt Sonata Pathetique, Beethoven.  short but sweet

also:

well what about chopin's first waltz? I thought I was learning it pretty good, but my teacher thought it was above me so I put it aside. what if I learned the crap out of it and played it for him in the fall? would that be too big of a gamble? would I possibly run into the problem of wasting my time because my teacher will just say again to put it aside?

If you learn it well, your teacher won't tell you to put it aside!  he/she will be impressed probably and want to spend more time on it.  (or, the teach doesn't even have to know!)

[i_m_robot]

Neither is good for an audition I don't think, but if it has to be one of these two, 10/12 would be better.

Yes, these are generally considered two of the easier etudes and could probably be learned in 1-2 weeks each, depending on your work ethic.

what

you mean memorised or up to tempo?

[Kassaa]

Why not 25/2, it has a beatiful left-hand melody, and it sounds quite virtuosic/

[steinwayguy]

Why not 25/2, it has a beatiful left-hand melody, and it sounds quite virtuosic/

I think that is a good piece.

[BoliverAllmon]

those cross-rhythmns seemed like a butt.

Ok, so I am really thinking about all of this.

which would be better for a lyrical piece?

chopin's raindrop or his  C min. nocturne posthumous?

I have learned the raindrop and was told that I played it quite well. The nocturne I am learning right now.

If I choose one of these two for the lyrical piece, then I need something non chopin for a virtuosic piece. I am learning a Haydn sonata Hob. 43 in Ab maj. the final movt is a presto rondo, but I am not sure if it is good enough for the school. I want to go to the school audiiton and the jurors just fall in love with my playing and offer tons of scholarships. I am auditioning at Houston Baptist University. It isn't a Julliard by the farthest, but it does have a good church music program and that is where I want to go.

as you can see I am starting to get a bit worried about my auditions and they aren't until Jan or Feb. So please give any suggestions. for the virtuosic piece I need to be able to get the notes memorized and able to play it at least half tempo by Aug. 30th.

If you suggest obscure pieces please provide an MP3 recording of it.

thanks in advance.

boliver

[BoliverAllmon]

I know I am hijacking my own thread, but WHO CARES!!!! I am freakin out here. I just wanted to also state that I auditioned at HBU last year. I was accepted, but didn't receive enough scholarships. I got to listen to all of the other Piano auditionees, they played nothing too difficult, but their musicality was in the toilet. I knew that I could do just as good or better than them. Also I thought I would give some idea of my levels.

learned Raindrop in about4 days working an hour a day.
satie's gymnopedie in one day
Haydn's sonata hob. 43 in Ab 2nd mvt. one day. (about 2 hours)
bach invention 14 3 days
bach invention 1 an afternoon (about 3 hours)
I also learned his invention no 4 in a couple of days.
Shostakovich prelude 14 op.34 2 hours

I know these pieces aren't hard, but for whatever reason I haven't really worked on anything hard lately.

boliver

[pseudopianist]

Ones you learned the the crossrhythm for 25/2 it rest will just fall into place. Just like fantasie impromptu. I had alot of difficulty with this rhythm but ones I knew it didn't seem that complicated anymore.

I would go with Raindrop if you already know the piece that well, never liked the C minor nocturne.

[BoliverAllmon]

the nocturne is nice, but really repetitive. I haven't worked on it much, but once you get the main theme down, it seems like the rest is similar (minus a few bars of course)

[pseudopianist]

I know I am hijacking my own thread, but WHO CARES!!!! I am freakin out here. I just wanted to also state that I auditioned at HBU last year. I was accepted, but didn't receive enough scholarships. I got to listen to all of the other Piano auditionees, they played nothing too difficult, but their musicality was in the toilet. I knew that I could do just as good or better than them. Also I thought I would give some idea of my levels.

learned Raindrop in about4 days working an hour a day.
satie's gymnopedie in one day
Haydn's sonata hob. 43 in Ab 2nd mvt. one day. (about 2 hours)
bach invention 14 3 days
bach invention 1 an afternoon (about 3 hours)
I also learned his invention no 4 in a couple of days.
Shostakovich prelude 14 op.34 2 hours

I know these pieces aren't hard, but for whatever reason I haven't really worked on anything hard lately.

boliver

WOW so all together you play a month?

[BoliverAllmon]

no I have been playing almost two years. this is just recent stuff that I learned.

boliver

[pseudopianist]

Then I am very impressed.
2 years Raindrop in 4 days, working an hour a day? Wow

It took me awhile to have it memorized and played when I played and it was a year ago, still I could not do it in 4 days. Too many notes.

I think could pull the Chopin etudes. :O Go for the 25/2 or 10/9

[BoliverAllmon]

I don't see it as that great. There are only 4 real sections to the piece. And even parts of those sections are the same thing with just a few variations.

boliver

[pseudopianist]

Yeah but it is a lot of stuff to remember. If I played a piece for that long I would probaly stop after a few bars and "what the f*ck comes next?"

[BoliverAllmon]

thanks for the confidence.

If I go with the raindrop, then I need something else that isn't chopin. recommend anything?

[pseudopianist]

From what era?


How about some Liszt? His first TE etude maybe? It is short, and impressive and is around the difficult of the etudes mentioned in this thread.

[BoliverAllmon]

any era really. I like it all. preferably none romantic, simply because chopin is romantic. I will look at the liszt.

[pseudopianist]

Otherwise, have a look at some of Scriabins preludes. They are tricky bastards but so beautiful. I'll try to learn his B major prelude Op11 no 11 which seems impossible.

[BoliverAllmon]

I looked at the Liszt. It doesn't look too far out of reach at all. Surprisingly so. Unfortunately I don't know alot of Scriabin repertoire.

[pianohopper]

so Boliver, you trying to make a career out of this?  if so, wot field of it?

[BoliverAllmon]

career out of what?

[BoliverAllmon]

ok what about moscheles virtuosic etude no. 1? Nothing outlandishly beautiful or lyrical, but it is 6 pages of non stop 16th note passages.

[BoliverAllmon]

sorry that should be moskowski