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Topic: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1  (Read 2270 times)

Offline jerry xie

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about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
on: August 03, 2005, 06:43:41 PM
Hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm playing this piece now.I'm looking for ppl who're also playing this cooooooool piece so we could share experiences and discuss about it...I really wanna be able to play it perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!thanx
Help me , Bach !!!

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #1 on: August 04, 2005, 10:42:25 AM
I'm playing it I've done the 1st and the 3rd mvts decently, but still nowhere near perfect . the 2nd is also an interesting mvt with all those runs. beautiful mvt though(2)
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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #2 on: August 04, 2005, 03:53:47 PM
O mama!!!
How's your suggestion of playing the beginning part of the 1st mvt??
&what tempodo you play the 2nd???
(I don't like the 3rd very much... :-[
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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #3 on: August 04, 2005, 07:04:06 PM
i play the first mvt quite quickly. the third is a complete mess though for me. i make mistakes in all the left hand runs. first mvt is quite OK just the fingering has to be worked out to hold the higher notes in the slow parts and i don't use too much pedal anywhere... haven't done the 2nd yet
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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #4 on: August 04, 2005, 09:23:20 PM
Hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm playing this piece now.I'm looking for ppl who're also playing this cooooooool piece so we could share experiences and discuss about it...I really wanna be able to play it perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!thanx

I played it for auditions.


Need help?  what would you like to discuss?

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #5 on: August 04, 2005, 09:24:45 PM
O mama!!!
How's your suggestion of playing the beginning part of the 1st mvt??
&what tempodo you play the 2nd???
(I don't like the 3rd very much... :-[

I'd recommend playing the 1st movement, FAST (as it is dramatic).

The 16th note pickups in the right hand should be basically like unimportant grace notes.

The 2nd movement should be taken at the tempo you find most beautiful.

Take your time, bring out the melody.


BTW, I have a vid of me playing this if you want it.... I can probably put it on CPU.

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #6 on: August 05, 2005, 06:23:59 PM
yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #7 on: August 05, 2005, 06:37:51 PM
lol



Unfortunately though, it is a technical display rather than musical........


I played it quite musically, and even made a woman cry, but unfortunately the camera compressed everything : (

But I guess you can see my technique hehe : )

P.S.  I had a memory slip in the 2nd movement.

I'll figure out how to put it on CPU.

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #8 on: August 07, 2005, 06:52:25 PM
Done the 1st mov quite thoroughly... Pretty fast, but for a long time I couldn't figure out the fingering on the triplets near the beginning... I'll probably take a look  at the other movements... Any of you can point out the worst parts so I know where to start?  :)
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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #9 on: August 08, 2005, 10:37:46 AM
in the 2nd and 3rd mvt, only the runs are tricky. otherwise its quite OK. that's my reading at least...
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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #10 on: August 08, 2005, 02:29:23 PM
 
I really enjoyed playing the 3rd movement, somehow I find the 1st and 3rd movements much easier than I thought and the 2nd movement MUCH harder than I thought (I'm still working on it!)  The runs in 17,19 and 28-30 in the 2nd movement are tricky but with lots of slow practice and patience, you should conquer it. I've been working on it for over 3 months now (er.. the piece, not the runs) and I'm pretty happy with my 1st and 3rd movement, but I'm still working on those runs in the 2nd. :)  I still think the 2nd is the most beautiful when played well. Have fun!

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #11 on: August 08, 2005, 04:22:02 PM
*jots down* Thanks for advice! I've been juggling with the 1st mov for nearly a year... didn't really practice at all until May :P I hope I'll get the rest a bit faster...
Be'ein Tachbulot Yipol Am Veteshua Berov Yoetz (Without cunning a nation shall fall,  Salvation Come By Many Good Counsels)

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #12 on: August 08, 2005, 06:57:49 PM
in the 2nd and 3rd mvt, only the runs are tricky. otherwise its quite OK. that's my reading at least...

Just make sure that you aren't lifting the fingers up high.

That was my mistake.  As soon as I auditioned at my future school with it, I had a lesson with my teacher afterwards (at the school), and he changed my technique in that piece just by my lifting of the fingers.

Now I can nail it if I choose to bring it back.

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #13 on: August 09, 2005, 03:16:07 AM
Did you notice that the third movement's opening theme was very closely borrowed by chopin in his polonaise in f# minor? It's more obvious when you're learning it because you play that theme slow to learn it, and that's when it sounds like the polonaise.

In the second mvnt do you play the embellishments in strict time in measures 8 and 53? It's possible to play them in time, and i listened to a recording by richard goode to find out what he did, and he adds nearly 2 or 3 extra beats in there(!), but it still sounds good. What do you do?

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #14 on: August 09, 2005, 03:20:49 AM
Hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm playing this piece now.I'm looking for ppl who're also playing this cooooooool piece so we could share experiences and discuss about it...I really wanna be able to play it perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!thanx

Take a chill pill, son. You will never be able to play this perfectly. That is, unless your name is Claude Frank.

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #15 on: August 09, 2005, 05:24:31 AM
Did you notice that the third movement's opening theme was very closely borrowed by chopin in his polonaise in f# minor? It's more obvious when you're learning it because you play that theme slow to learn it, and that's when it sounds like the polonaise.

In the second mvnt do you play the embellishments in strict time in measures 8 and 53? It's possible to play them in time, and i listened to a recording by richard goode to find out what he did, and he adds nearly 2 or 3 extra beats in there(!), but it still sounds good. What do you do?


You know, I have played op 10 no 1, and am currently working on that Polonaise, and I never noticed that.

However, I don't think that Chopin stole it, there really isn't that much similarity. 

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #16 on: August 10, 2005, 08:37:25 PM
You didn't notice?  Interesting!  Perhaps you should try playing the first two measures of each piece, one right after the other.  If you do, you can't help but notice the striking similarity.  Maybe take another look at the score to make sure you've got the right notes. And make sure you're playing CHOPIN'S OPUS FOURTY-FOUR and BEETHOVEN'S OPUS TEN, NUMBER ONE, MOVEMENT THREE.  Keep your ears open, and don't worry, you'll hear it just like everyone else does.

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #17 on: August 11, 2005, 12:24:59 AM
You didn't notice?  Interesting!  Perhaps you should try playing the first two measures of each piece, one right after the other.  If you do, you can't help but notice the striking similarity.  Maybe take another look at the score to make sure you've got the right notes. And make sure you're playing CHOPIN'S OPUS FOURTY-FOUR and BEETHOVEN'S OPUS TEN, NUMBER ONE, MOVEMENT THREE.  Keep your ears open, and don't worry, you'll hear it just like everyone else does.

OH yeah!!! I was thinking of the melody in the op 10 no 1, not the intro.


The intro is the same!

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #18 on: August 13, 2005, 11:04:13 PM
my friend is playing it for his gr10 exam ^__^

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Re: about beethoven's sonata op.10 no.1
Reply #19 on: August 19, 2005, 03:47:19 AM
I love this piece. One of my favorite Beethoven Sonata's. I gotta thank this piece for getting me through all my college auditions. The 1st mvt. was perfect in showing my Beethoven qualities and the 3rd was a technical blast, though the 16th aganist the triplets were horrendous. Glad that your playing this and enjoying it. PLZ, be thoughtful of the magnificent melody in the 1st movement in the middle section.
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