The Ultimate Concerto/Piano-Orchestra Thread!!!!

[fred smalls]

Ok, the objective of this thread is to list as many piano concertos as possible, so that in the end, we will have a complete list of all the concertos ever written (aka published, I don't really care about unpublished concertos.)

I'll post the basics:

Bach: Concertos 1-7
Beethoven: Concertos 1-5
Beethoven: Choral Fantasy
Chopin: Concertos 1-2
Chopin: Grande Polonaise & Andante Spinato
Liszt: Concertos 1-2
Liszt: Totentanz
Liszt: Fantasy on Hungarian Folk Themes
Tchaikovsky: Concertos 1-3 (including the op.79 remake of the 3rd and 4th mvts of no.3)
Tchaikovsky: Fantasy for Piano and Orchestra
Debussy: Fantasy for Piano and Orchestra
Mozkowsky: Concerto
Scriabin: Concerto
Scriabin: Prometheus
Paderewski: Concerto
Schumann: Concerto
Grieg: Concerto
Saint-Saens: Concertos 1-5
Prokofiev: Concertos 1-5
Mendelsohn: Concertos 1-2
Rachmaninoff: Concertos 1-4
Rachmaninoff: Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini
Shostakovich: Concertos 1-2
Gershwin: Concerto
Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue, Rhapsody No.2
Bartok: Concertos 1-3



Ok, that took me literally my whole life to write.  I know I'm missing tonnes of stuff, especially piano-orchestra works (by Schumann and Saint-Saens to name a couple...) so thats where you guys come in!  We should have a complete list in no time!

Peace
Fred Smalls

[Skeptopotamus]

.......... there are like thousands dude.

[fred smalls]

Your point??

[planetdave]

Wow. Quite a list, Fred.

Mozart:1-27
Busoni: Concerto
Litolff: Concerto Symphoniques 1-5
Ligeti: Concerto

More! More!

[fred smalls]

LOL I FORGOT MOZART AND HAYDN!!!!
SUCKERS!!!
KEEP EM COMING!!!!

Haydn: Concertos 1-11
Brahms: Concertos 1-2

[fred smalls]

Rubinstein: Concertos 1-5

[Skeptopotamus]

Pann
Tveirtt 1-5
Corigliano
Barber
Carter
Babbitt
Paderewski
Penderecki
Ustovolskaya
Gubaidulina
Sorabji 1-7
Finnissy 1-7
Schoenberg
Xenakis Eonta
Xenakis Palimpsest
Gorecki
Alkan Concerto
Alkan Concertos de Camera
Avalon
Berwald
Copland
Delius
Dvorak
Ginastera 1/2
Glazunov 1/2
Massenet
Medtner 1-3
Liszt 3
Molinari
Mosonyi
Nyman
Rautavaara 1-3
Ravel G
Ravel left hand
Tippitt


Those are the ones i can come up with atm

[Skeptopotamus]

Strauss Burlesques
Ambrosini Con Vulgari Eloqente
cage concerto
cage fourteen
janacek concertino
poulenc concerto
messiaen Oiseaux Exotiques
messiaen Des Canyons aux Etoiles
roussel
stravinsky concerto for piano and winds

[klavierkonzerte]

clara schumann
cramer 1-7
moscheles 1-8
scharwenka 1-4
bronsart
herz-1-8
thalberg
kakbrenner
dussek
ferdinand hiller (not heller)
riencek 1-4
pabst
hummel
clementi
field, i think 8
sgambati
ries 1-8
strauss burlesque (spelling)
verdi   variations for pianoforte, it's one of his early works
elagar,  heared about it but never listened to it
sophie menter  hungarian concerto
tausig hungarian concerto
amy beach
dvorak
czerny concerto and there's another concert work i like but i can't remmeber it's name
pixis grand concerto and dounble concerto for violin and piano
liszt hexameron
kullak
reger
stenhammer 1-2
klengel, never found anything about this composer except that he was an early romantic
draeseke (spelling)

[Skeptopotamus]

Danielpour Metamorphosis for Piano and Orchestra
liebermann concertos 1/2
Khackaturian
perle concertos 1/2
franck variations
macdowell concertos 1/2
schnittke concerto

[Skeptopotamus]

klavier you totally stole my strauss and my dvorak.  for shame.

[klavierkonzerte]

please forgive ignorance & stupidity

[fred smalls]

arent there a few pieces by schumann and saint-saens that are for piano-orchestra???
i remember someone talking about them.
post them if you know them

[klavierkonzerte]

schumann   

introduction and allegro
introduction and allegro appasionato


sait-saens
africa
alegro appasionata
i can't remmeber his other works

[pianonut]

how about leroy anderson's?

[xvimbi]

Eugen d'Albert
Joachim Raff
Carl Reinecke
Joseph Rheinberger
Moritz Moszkowski
Mily Balakirev
Nikolay Rimsky-Korsakov
Erno Dohnányi
Joseph Holbrooke
Haydn Wood
Vianna da Motta
Zygmunt Stojowski
Gabriel Pierné
Ignaz Brüll
Bernhard Stavenhagen
Emil von Sauer
Hans Abrahamsen

[mlsmithz]

Off the top of my head:

Henselt: F minor (no-one's mentioned this yet??)
Hahn: E major
Lyapunov: 1-2
Kabalevsky: 1-3
Hummel: 1-3 (someone mentioned Hummel but not the number), Variations in F major Op.97.
Chopin: Rondo a la Krakowiak in F major, Op.14.

That's all that leaps to mind that no-one has mentioned yet.

[prometheus]

Uuh not all of those pieces are concerto's.

Fantasy's and variations for piano & orchestra aren't concerto's.

[JCarey]

EDIT: Never mind.... somebody mentioned the Hahn.

[fred smalls]

Uuh not all of those pieces are concerto's.

Fantasy's and variations for piano & orchestra aren't concerto's.

You would have a point if the thread said "The Ultimate Concerto Thread", but, unfortuantely for you, the thread is titled "The Ultimate Concerto/Piano-Orchestra Thread".

Peace
Fred Smalls

[prometheus]

Argg...

You are right, excuse me.

[stevie]

schumann   

introduction and allegro
introduction and allegro appasionato


sait-saens
africa
alegro appasionata
i can't remmeber his other works

rapsodie d'auvergne
wedding cake - waltz

those are the other SS pieces

[sharon_f]

Uuh not all of those pieces are concerto's.

Fantasy's and variations for piano & orchestra aren't concerto's.

Actually any composition for soloist or group of soloists and orchestra is considered a concerto no matter what it is named. So pieces like Franck's Symphonic Variations, Weber's Konzertstuck and Chopin's Variations on La Ci Darem La Mano are all considered concertos. (Or concerti?)

The inverse is also true. Just because something is named concerto does not make it one, for example Bach's Italian Concerto and Schumann's Concerto sans orchestra, which are both solo pieces and not concertos.

[fred smalls]

Argg...

You are right, excuse me.

lol, its fine.....
 

rapsodie d'auvergne
wedding cake - waltz

those are the other SS pieces

yeah thnx for those saint-saens and schumann pieces klavier and stevie


keep em coming

[fred smalls]

Actually any composition for soloist or group of soloists and orchestra is considered a concerto no matter what it is named. So pieces like Franck's Symphonic Variations, Weber's Konzertstuck and Chopin's Variations on La Ci Darem La Mano are all considered concertos. (Or concerti?)

The inverse is also true. Just becasue something is named concerto does not make it one, for example Bach's Italian Concerto and Schumann's Concerto sans orchestra, which are both solo pieces and not concertos.

so, i could just call this the ultimate concerto thread, but that would prolly confuse ppl anyways, thus also making prometheus more wrong, not that it matters at all...........................................................................

[shasta]

Mendelsohn: Concertos 1-2

In addition to the above Mendelssohn (the #1 G minor and #2 D minor):

Mendelssohn piano concerto in E minor
Mendelssohn 2-piano concerto in E major
Mendelssohn 2-piano concerto in A-flat major

[TheHammer]

In addition to the above Mendelssohn (the #1 G minor and #2 D minor):

Mendelssohn piano concerto in E minor
Mendelssohn 2-piano concerto in E major
Mendelssohn 2-piano concerto in A-flat major

AND the Concerto for piano and string orchestra A minor.

Also add the Beethoven Piano Transcription of the Violin Concerto (although it suc*s) op. 61a.
And an early concerto (I think WoO 4, E-flat major?) and a rondo for orchestra and piano (WoO 6 or so) although I don't quite know if they are complete... (doubt it somehow).

Would the Triple Concerto count?

[AvoidedCadence]

Liszt - Malediction
Liszt - De Profundis - Psalme for Piano and Orchestra

and I think there is one more not listed above, but I'm not sure.

Do we count symphonies with piano?

I think Bartok wrote something else in this genre.

[prometheus]

I think there is a symphony with piano, organ and celesta.

Since I am listening to it now: Liszt - s122 Ruins of Athens Fantasy

[jehangircama]

Does anyone know whether anyone has played every existing concerto?
(dumb ques., but felt like asking)

[prometheus]

You mean one person?

Better question: Has anyone ever heard all KNOWN and PUBLISHED concertos?

Probably not.

Take Sorabji's eight. I am not even sure if one of them is even recorded.

[pita bread]

None of the Sorabji concerti have been recorded.

If you're gonna count symphonies with piano, add in Scriabin's Prometheus to your list. It's got enough piano work to make it a respectable concerto.

[steinwaym]

Why would you make such a thread?

[apion]

Why would you make such a thread?

Ditto.  What's the objective, here?

[fred smalls]

I think the question to ask yourself is why would anyone not create this miraculous thread?

Also, I was looking in a Naxos catalouge and i saw a piece called Concerto in B- by Grieg, and I was like "SAY WHAT!!!???".  Is this a solo piano piece?

[presto agitato]

I cant believe it, nobody has mentioned the piano concertos by Cesar Franck. He is way underratedˇˇ.

Let me add Beethoven´s piano concerto num 6

[thierry13]

What is that beethoven 6 ? Has anyone recorded it, is it a complete work.

[arensky]

                  Arensky... Concerto in f minor op.2

[TheHammer]

What is that beethoven 6 ? Has anyone recorded it, is it a complete work.

I guess he is talking about the piano transcription of the Violin Concerto (op. 61a). It is sometimes referred to as the "6th Beethoven PC" by some recording companies. That is non-sense of course. And if you look at reply #26 it was already mentioned.

However, if he means something else, then I have no clue.

[pianistimo]

de falla's 'nights in the gardens of spain.'  it has three short but related tone poems evoking moods and settings of andalusia.

ps de falla was profoundly influenced by the music of debussy and admired the way debussy 'evoked images of spain without reference to actual folk music....'

[tompilk]

https://piano-concertos.org/

[steve_m]

6

[jre58591]

this list has pretty much every piano concerto ever recorded in it.

https://www.siue.edu/~aho/discography/Discography.pdf

i think i win.

[tompilk]

this list has pretty much every piano concerto ever recorded in it.

https://www.siue.edu/~aho/discography/Discography.pdf

i think i win.

yes, thats a great list. I'm still searching for the catoire piano concerto though...
Tom

[jre58591]

me too. do you know of any specific recordings whatsoever? according to this list, it has been recorded.

[tompilk]

me too. do you know of any specific recordings whatsoever? according to this list, it has been recorded.

i've looked through every single google result but to no avail! It must be out there because I heard somewhere else that it existed...
Tom

[mikey6]

I guess he is talking about the piano transcription of the Violin Concerto (op. 61a). It is sometimes referred to as the "6th Beethoven PC" by some recording companies. That is non-sense of course. And if you look at reply #26 it was already mentioned.

However, if he means something else, then I have no clue.

Someone has reconstructed the 6th - true, does not near the Beethoven standard but is worth a listen. unheardbeethoven.org me thinkg is the site.

[invictious]

We are still doing this pathetically.

Meh, I wouldn't mind joining in if you add like a small description and difficulty rating for each piece.

[pianistimo]

roeder's 'a history of the piano concerto' has sort of done this (explains difficulty level - or just plain difficulties of the concertos).  also, the book helps if you are attempting to analyze a specific concerto. 

concertos, according to this book, originated when (in the late 16th and early 17th centuries) venetian composers created some dramatic works with antiphonal treatments - with the alternation of two or more performing forces.  he also mentions the architectural design of the time helped spur the ideas.  musical life around st. marks was highlighted by the cathedral's spacious design that permitted the placement of two organs on facing balconies and the arrangement of musicians in clearly differentiated locations.  antiphonal effects with choirs were common.  composers focused on broad, bold effects, not nuances.

the fleming adrian willaert (c 1490-1562) is considered the founder of the venetian school.  'willaert was born in flanders and moved to rome' where he was appointed maestro di cappella in st mark's in 1527.  he did not invent the broken choir but he exploited it.  his famous 'salmi spezzati (1550) are double-choir settings of psalms.  his pupil, andrea gabrieli introducted the element of concertato to the polychoral construction 'and moved byond the mere juxtaposition of essentially similar choirs.  he enhanced the element of contrast through the use of various combinations of voices and instruments.'

this ventian school culminated in the work of giovanni gabrieli (1557-1612) who was a nephew and pupil of andrea gabrieli.  he started writing (with terms) concerto and symphony.  some three dozen of his motets survive (used on x-mas and easter) and are in three published collections:  the concerti, the sacrae symphoniae part i, and part ii. 

just thought that this was interesting because often the concerto idea is attributed to bach.  but, it was actually started before his time. 

[pianistimo]

there have probably been quite a few more concertos written since this book was published - but it does include the latin american composers that we know - that i don't recal reading in the lists above:

heitor villa-lobos
alberto ginastera
carlos chavez

canadian composers:
healy william
claude champagne
john weinzweig
barbara pentland
jean papineau-couture
violet archer
norman symonds
jacques hetu
r. murray schafer

immigrants to canada

otto joachim
oskar morawetz
talivaldis kennis
malcom forsyth


and, i don't know if anyone mentioned my favorite nineteenth century composer edward macdowell.  he wrote the first, in A minor (1882), was dedicated to franz liszt.  the better -known second concerto in d minor (1888) was dedicated to his former teacher in the usa, teresa carreno (originally from venezuala).  its three movements are 'a little unusual in that there is no slow movement.  instead, macdowell composed a substantial slow introduction to the first movmenet and a slow introduction to the molto allegro finale; the middle movement is a presto giocoso in a scherzo stle with a steady stream of sixteenth notes in the piano part.