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Topic: Liszt Liebestrame no. 3... again  (Read 1509 times)

Offline Appenato

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Liszt Liebestrame no. 3... again
on: August 14, 2005, 12:16:58 AM
does anyone have suggestions for getting the 2nd cadenza accurate? i can play it perfectly hands separately. put together and it's a horrible confusion of notes. it's like my LH wants to reverse the pattern. I've practiced slowly... deliberately... all over the summer and it still sucks. i have 3 months more before i play it for juries... anyone have further suggestions to perfect it aside from what i've been doing? it'll probably all come with practice, huh?  ::)
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Offline musicsdarkangel

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Re: Liszt Liebestrame no. 3... again
Reply #1 on: August 14, 2005, 12:22:46 AM
Hmmm.  Well, I can't think of this part you are talking about from the top of my head (unfortunately), but remember not only to practice slowly, but at like 5 different speeds (including up to speed)

Also, make sure you can play it hands separate with the metranome (once again, i don't know which part this is, so if they are grace notes, this would be hard to do).

There's usually a solution to every problem.

What is giving you the trouble?  (specifically, what notes do you play, and what is the difficulty?)

Practicing in crazy rhythms helps big time.  (triplet whole, triplet whole, etc)

Unfortunately, I don't know your problem so I can't give good advice, but I am pretty good at solving technical problems.

Offline Souza

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Re: Liszt Liebestrame no. 3... again
Reply #2 on: August 14, 2005, 01:59:55 AM
I had this same difficulty.  Hands separated  ok, HT (hands together)  doesn't work. 

I discovered something very intersting...when playing HT, it becomes very easy, if your thumbs and forefingers of both hands coincide. 

Verify this point...this way there will be no confusion in cadence...and you have only to adjust the fingerings, perhaps only in left hand.

Left hand is a descending minor third against a major third in right hand, but as an exercise, you could play HT  with the minor thirds of left as "chords",  against the notes of right hand without modification as it is :

G- bB (left hand, as "chord" , same time you play the E of the major third in right hand, then play C....2 notes right hand against 1 in left hand.  You could play the reverse, with "chord" in right hand and so on.

You also could practice both hands as "chords", always without  modify fingering.

Another good exercise is hands together with different rhythms.

This way it will be not very difficult  you play very fast and crystalline.

Tell us if it works!


Offline sonatainfsharp

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Re: Liszt Liebestrame no. 3... again
Reply #3 on: August 14, 2005, 02:30:40 PM
1) Let your thumbs touch each other as a reference point.

2) Look for patterns.

3) Hvae landmarks as you go.

4) Practice slower than a turtle (actually, turtles aren't really that slow).

This is how I learned it; it took me less than an hour to get it to performance tempo from scratch, and I sure ain't no prodigy.

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Re: Liszt Liebestrame no. 3... again
Reply #4 on: August 15, 2005, 03:14:09 AM
What I did, and it works for me, is in the left hand to always play 2-4.  I know many ppl would advise against it, but it's what worked for me, and worked for the examiner  :P
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