20-min Repertoire for a concert

[shoenberg3]

I was invited to play a 20-min concert (along with 2 other people, including Jie Chen!)
The concert is on late April so i have much time to prepare and there are no requirements at all for this concert. 

Please help me think of the repertoire for this concert. As of now, I am thinking along the lines of:
1. Prok. sonata 7
2. Prok. sonata 8
3. Liszt etudes in order of Wild Jagd, Paysage, Feux Follets, Mazeppa
4. Liszt Don Juan fantasy (yea i know, this is not the best piece, but it always gets the audience going)
5. Stravinsky Petrushka
6. Gas fart de la nut
7. Selections from Messiaen Vingt reagrds (hahaha, quite unlikely however)



thanks in advance

[pita bread]

Prokofiev 8 deserves a lot more attention than it gets.

[nanabush]

You can play all of those?  Or are you choosing one of those...

[stevie]

pump out a few farts with the gas fart, or the liszt etudes.

they are just the ones i prefer musically.

[shoenberg3]

Part of this is to increase my repertoire. So, i intentionally am considering the pieces that i haven't played before. But I am pretty assured that i can manage all the pieces listed as i have played pieces of similar difficulty previously.

[stevie]

Part of this is to increase my repertoire. So, i intentionally am considering the pieces that i haven't played before. But I am pretty assured that i can manage all the pieces listed as i have played pieces of similar difficulty previously.

you appear to have quite an ego 

[shoenberg3]

heh, if confidence can be used interchangably with "ego," sure 

[stevie]

you just seem to go round strutting your stuff like 'oohhh im the man, i can play sooo fast and leik the hardest pieces and leik OMG I RULLEE'

one of these days youre gonna find out you suck, and dont come crying to mommy.

[mrchops10]

Part of this is to increase my repertoire. So, i intentionally am considering the pieces that i haven't played before. But I am pretty assured that i can manage all the pieces listed as i have played pieces of similar difficulty previously.

Is there a piece equal in difficulty to petrushka? Just wondering. Seriously, though, I like Don Juan more than just about any operatic paraphrase. I'm guess I'm weird, or maybe just obsessed with Don Giovanni. I would play it, but it's too easy  These are all good pieces, go with Stravinsky, I think. If you can play it, it's a really great piece.

P.S. What's with all the hating, Stevie? If he says he can do it, maybe he can. And if he can't, who cares? It's his concert. You can still ask reportoire questions, even if it's about difficult reportoire.

[shoenberg3]

haha trust me, there are more difficult things that petrushka


and, don't worry about stevie. He's in actuality a good friend of mine; he is just playing

[stevie]

haha trust me, there are more difficult things that petrushka


and, don't worry about stevie. He's in actuality a good friend of mine; he is just playing

playing faster than you ever could 



good luck anyway

[shoenberg3]

I have almost decided the repertoire to be:

Liszt Ballade 2 and Messiaen Vingt Regards No. 10

[stevie]

I have almost decided the repertoire to be:

Liszt Ballade 2 and Messiaen Vingt Regards No. 10

ok

why?

[shoenberg3]

Liszt because it just fits well under my hands and I am confident that I can bring the music out of this piece quite well (as opposed to some Chopin piece, I wouldn't be as confident).

Messiaen because it is very showy and a quasi-obscure work that needs more attention. At least this was the piece that pulled me into Messiaen. In addition, because of its obscurity and dissonance, few wrong notes won't matter as much

And, these two go very well together in my opinon. After some indulgent romanticism, it's DA JESUS DANCING DA DISCO!!

[stevie]

well, i like those pieces alot, so good luck

[sonatainfsharp]

What an extremely boring set of pieces.

A program that is all virtuosic is very boring to the ears.

Make a variance of your musical eras and even genres.

Play some slow movements and "simple-sounding" pieces. We all know the simpler something sounds, the more difficult it REALLY is to play.

[shoenberg3]

You call Vingt Regards and Liszt Ballade "extremely boring"?

Anyways, the Dance is very virtuosic but the Liszt is refreshingly unvirtuosic compared to most of his other pieces. In addition, there is a variance in the musical eras, from Romantic to Contemporary. And that's a good range for a 20 min segment.

"variance of.....even genres"

What, you want me to play some boogie up there after Messiaen?

"We all know the simpler something sounds, the more difficult it REALLY is to play."

Oh really?

[mephisto]

Messiaen= Conetomporary=Wrong.

I really like you choices. They are definetly not boring. The Liszt piece is one of my all time favourites.

About the Messiaen piece I like that one to but  sometimes those extremely dissonate chords sounds a bit annoying. Have you tought about no6? A great piece.

And what about Prokofiev 8. I love that one. But judging by your Prokofiev 6 it would be a bit sheet You are still thousand times better than me. Unless you get tired of playing the piano you might become a very good pianist. And don`t play Petrouchka. the Pollini fans in the back of the theater will only laugh at you

And what pieces have you played that are more difficult that Petrouckha?

-The Mephisto

[shoenberg3]

I simply don't get it.

How is Messiaen not contemporary?

You claim to find the chords on the No. 10 "extremely dissonate and annoying," and considering that no. 6 is even more dissonate, I don't get your logic that I might want to play that instead.

It would be nice to know what you didn't like about my Prok 6.

"And don`t play Petrouchka. the Pollini fans in the back of the theater will only laugh at you"

Just because a world-class pianist can play a piece better than you, you shouldn't be playing it? Then, by your "logic," I shouldn't be playing the Messiaen either, considering Muraro can kick my butt at it anytime.

You ask "And what pieces have you played that are more difficult that Petrouckha?"

I said "as i have played pieces of similar difficulty previously."

Read the thread more carefully before you belittle me. Some of the pieces similar to difficulty to Petrushka that I played include: Islamey, Don Juan, Trascendental Etudes, Prok. Concerto 3..

[shoenberg3]

PS. You're trying to argue that contemporary is post-1950.  The book Music in Theory and Practice by Benward and Saker categorizes contemporary period as 1920-Present. Vingt Regards was composed in 1944. End of Argument

[mephisto]

I simply don't get it.

How is Messiaen not contemporary?

You claim to find the chords on the No. 10 "extremely dissonate and annoying," and considering that no. 6 is even more dissonate, I don't get your logic that I might want to play that instead.

It would be nice to know what you didn't like about my Prok 6.

"And don`t play Petrouchka. the Pollini fans in the back of the theater will only laugh at you"

Just because a world-class pianist can play a piece better than you, you shouldn't be playing it? Then, by your "logic," I shouldn't be playing the Messiaen either, considering Muraro can kick my butt at it anytime.

You ask "And what pieces have you played that are more difficult that Petrouckha?"

I said "as i have played pieces of similar difficulty previously."

Read the thread more carefully before you belittle me. Some of the pieces similar to difficulty to Petrushka that I played include: Islamey, Don Juan, Trascendental Etudes, Prok. Concerto 3..

Wow. This wasn`t the kind of response I was expecting.
I even said that I thought you would become a great pianist some day. The Petrouchka comment was of course a joke. Everybody with and EQ above 2 should understand that. You are  of course allowed to try to play it if you want to.

What I don`t like about your Prokofiev 6 is that the rythme and fury is no were near as good as it should be. And you were obviously playing faster than you wanted. I think I remember that you said so yourself.

Avtually I think that no10 from vingt regards is much more dissonant than no6. And no6 is mostly dissonante in the fast section(the slow does have some but not extremely like in no10) and this sounds almost Prokofian and sorry for the bad word but it sounds cool. The slow section of no10 is fo course slow and  therefor the dissonance is easier to hear and also it just sounds a bit annoying at times(not always). And of course play it if you want to.

Contemporary=At this time, in the same age as now, now a-days, modern.

Messiaen is certainly no of those things. If you want to play contemporary music than look for composers such as Ligeti, Boulez, Rzewski, Nordheim etc.
Messiaen was of course contemporary music. Liszt used to be a  contemporary composer. He is not anymore. Do you think that you can say that all composers that lived from 1920 to present always will be contemporary? That is just stupid. That means that even in the year 3000 Messiaen will be a contemporary composer. And he will certainly not be. He used to be a contemporary composer but not anymore. End of argument.

-The Mephisto

[sonatainfsharp]

You completely missed my point!

The pieces on their own are certainly not boring, but put them all together at once makes for a boring program.

Re-read what I posted, but read it slowly and carefully because I don't feel like typing it out again.

[stevie]

Everybody with and EQ above 2 should understand that.

hahahahahhaahhahahaah 

messiaen isnt contemporary, but by competition/concert standards it is(it is at least modern0.

mildly, but barely possible.

[mephisto]

hahahahahhaahhahahaah 

messiaen isnt contemporary, but by competition/concert standards it is(it is at least modern0.

mildly, but barely possible.

I love you stevie!

If it hadn`t benn for you I would never have heard about Alkan or Messiaen etc. You are my idol.

-The Mephisto

[mrchops10]

Read the thread more carefully before you belittle me. Some of the pieces similar to difficulty to Petrushka that I played include: Islamey, Don Juan, Trascendental Etudes, Prok. Concerto 3..

I joked earlier that I didn't know pieces equal to the difficulty of Petrushka. I have also played Islamey (badly), and know well all the pieces you have played, and IMO none of them are as difficult. Islamey in particular, as beastly as it is, is only 9 minutes (well, 8 if you're Barere). Only the ending of Don Juan is awful, and Prok 3 isn't even as hard as Prok 2, which is still less hard than Petrushka (of course, IMO). Not to imply you can't play it, of course. But I think if you approach with the mentality that "Oh, this isn't so bad, I've played lots of pieces this difficult before," you will be very frustrated. Quite simply, you haven't. Length is a huge factor in difficulty, and Petrushka is long. Solo works tend to be more demanding than concerti, because you have no chance to rest. I'm sure you know all this, but take a lot of time for Petrushka. It's a real beast.

BTW, I rescind my earlier comment suggesting you play the Stravinsky. I go to Mannes, and right now, everyone is auditioning for the piano part in the ballet, which the orchestra will play. I'm SOOO sick of Petrushka.

[arch0wl]

What an extremely boring set of pieces.

A program that is all virtuosic is very boring to the ears.

Make a variance of your musical eras and even genres.

Play some slow movements and "simple-sounding" pieces. We all know the simpler something sounds, the more difficult it REALLY is to play.

Personally, I think virtuosity is way more entertaining than simplicity. And people aren't stupid, they can tell - some of my friends, who know nothing about classical, are extremely impressed seeing a person play Revolutionary Etude extremely fast, but are bored at the simpler pieces.

[sonatainfsharp]

Personally, I think virtuosity is way more entertaining than simplicity. And people aren't stupid, they can tell - some of my friends, who know nothing about classical, are extremely impressed seeing a person play Revolutionary Etude extremely fast, but are bored at the simpler pieces.

duh...because" they know nothing about classical [sic]."

[shoenberg3]

well, I don't want to continue this argument. I seek peace

There are just different definitions of "contemporary" and there is no arguing whose definition is more legitimate.

One thing i still don't get is, how is Liszt Ballade 2 considered virtuosic?

[stevie]

I love you stevie!

If it hadn`t benn for you I would never have heard about Alkan or Messiaen etc. You are my idol.

-The Mephisto

i appreciate it, although i cant remember where ive talked about messiaen much before.

but i do like his piano works, i think especially the rhythmic etudes.

[mephisto]

i appreciate it, although i cant remember where ive talked about messiaen much before.

but i do like his piano works, i think especially the rhythmic etudes.

da sdc learned me about messiaen. and u are da sdc. hihiih

-The Mephisto

[Nordlys]

...

Contemporary=At this time, in the same age as now, now a-days, modern.

Messiaen is certainly no of those things. If you want to play contemporary music than look for composers such as Ligeti, Boulez, Rzewski, Nordheim etc.
Messiaen was of course contemporary music. Liszt used to be a  contemporary composer. He is not anymore.
....

I agree: Contemporary is music that is written today. But we could use the term "modern" for music written after 1945.

By the way, of the composers mephisto listed, Rzewski is the youngest (he is 67!). And Arne Nordheim? He is not known for piano music. In fact, I didn't think that he was known at all outside Norway.

[mrchops10]

I agree: Contemporary is music that is written today. But we could use the term "modern" for music written after 1945.

Sorry to further this semantic debate, but it may be important. As I understand, in all the arts, modern has nothing to do with contemporary. Modernism was an actual artistic and intellectual movement, like Romanticism, Impressionism, etc. The meaning of the word has changed to define a work in the spirit of that movement--for music, generally defying traditional western harmony, but using traditional instruments. Philosophically, it was marked by a de-emphasis on man as a heroic being, as well as many other things. Mahler was a sort of "bridge" composer like Schubert 80 years earlier, and Schoenberg and Stravinsky could well be considered the first "modernist." In all the other artistic fields, it is accepted that Modernism ended around WWII, to be replaced by "post-modernism," which is generally meta-artistic and fragmented. If anyone understands this, you could very kindly explain it to me. Penderecki, I guess, is no longer really modernism. Yes, Messiaen is certainly modern.

Contemporary, however, just means music written recently, in say the last twenty years, usually by a living composer.

[pianowelsh]

Well i think to say Messiaen is not contemporary is quite absurd. The ideom in which he writes is most definately 'contemporary' even if his dates are not - there are many composers (of lesser genius) writing today who sound so close to his soundworld they could probably fool messiaen - were that possible.

[elevateme]

well, I don't want to continue this argument. I seek peace

hahahaha seek peace haha you just got served and you cant admit it 

[shoenberg3]

hahahaha seek peace haha you just got served and you cant admit it 

shaddap, pregnant dog

[verywellmister]

Go for the Messiaen definitely.  It's a great piece.

A teenager tackling Regard de l'esprit de joie and playing it right is impressive!

[shoenberg3]

Ended up playing the Liszt etude (harmonies de soir)  and Messiaen!

[elevateme]

shaddap, pregnant dog

no but you did. you got served on a plate.

[shoenberg3]

no but you did. you got served on a plate.

i dun c; point to me where i got "served"

perhaps if you actually read the thread, you will see that our "argument" ended in a virtual stalemate. I don't know where or when I pissed you off, but it is bit irksome for me to look after inane comments strewn by an ignorant b itch.

[elevateme]

nah

[kaiwin]

Lol, sorry for saying this but
"Gas fart de la nut"
LOL 
Anyone can upload the sheets for this?