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Topic: How fast can you scale in general?!  (Read 4439 times)

Offline RiskyP

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How fast can you scale in general?!
on: August 04, 2003, 11:09:31 PM
Please list how fast you can scale [relatively evenly] with your best hand over multiple octaves ascending and descending according to metronome settings and list which scale you are talking about (it can be any one of them). Please don't list the time it takes to scale all the way up or down the keyboard... just give metronome settings.  

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Re: How fast can you scale in general?!
Reply #1 on: August 11, 2003, 11:09:47 PM
I can now manage to play the C major scale at 250 BPM (one note per tick) evenly ascending and at 290 BPM descending with my right hand. I'm guessing for most of the people on this board that is really slow, and that is why I would like to know how fast can you guys scale?

I'd like to have some goal to work toward.

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Re: How fast can you scale in general?!
Reply #2 on: August 12, 2003, 06:29:09 PM
For any scale, I can usually, without training or preparation, do 4 notes in a beat at 160 BPM. With a little more practice, I can go faster, of course. This is one hand.

With both hands, I do 120 BPM without practice.

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Re: How fast can you scale in general?!
Reply #3 on: August 12, 2003, 07:46:07 PM
Wow, that is equivalent to 640 BPM if you play one note per beat... which sounds insanely awesome. How did you speed up to that level? My scales become very uneven after about 260 BPM (one note per beat).  

Offline glamfolk

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Re: How fast can you scale in general?!
Reply #4 on: August 13, 2003, 03:01:01 AM
Keep in mind that over several octaves, all the major and minor scales have the same fingering (1231234), and if you concentrate on seeing the groups of three and four notes and gliding over them as groups, your scales will improve get faster.  Any other ideas?  I'd like mine to improve.

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Re: How fast can you scale in general?!
Reply #5 on: August 13, 2003, 08:59:29 PM
Ascending C minor (E flat signature), I can do four notes per beat at 180 on the metronome with my right hand alone
Et cetera

Offline arigatuso

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Re: How fast can you scale in general?!
Reply #6 on: September 29, 2003, 06:51:22 PM
Check this page and you will get some ideas about fast playing technique.

https://members.aol.com/chang8828/contents.htm

Offline kevink

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Re: How fast can you scale in general?!
Reply #7 on: October 02, 2003, 04:41:07 AM
RiskyP, you might try setting the metronome to tick quarters, then playing sixteenth notes (or first eighths, then sixteenths... however you want to work up for it)... If you set the metronome to tick out every degree of the scale, you might be thinking too vertically (ie, paying too much attention to each note rather than hearing the scale as an ascending and descending melody)... which could slow you down.  
Other than that, practice hands alone, make sure you are not making any needless thumb tuckings/finger crossings.  And lead with your wrists.  It should be one smooth elegant motion up and down, no extraneous movements.

Offline tatiana

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Re: How fast can you scale in general?!
Reply #8 on: October 02, 2003, 08:29:16 AM
Speaking about scales: I always encourage my students (and was taught myself) to lead my scale with an elbow (R. on the way up, L. when down). Makes the movement smoother, easier to reach - because you are not concentrated on "hammering nails" anymore, you have a reason and direction to go. Also I like to play scales in groups of four (starting from primary tone make an accent), again here you got some pulsation here, it can make you take a high speed when you got a steady rythm.
Just couple of little suggestions (maybe you know well enough about it even without my remarks:)))
Just never studied here, in USA (got it all in Russia), so I don't even know what is a standard of scales playing here. Can anybody describe me the whole routine? (like I just did in the "teaching"-> "How valuable, if at all, are technical exercises?"
 

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