Piano- Or Death

[andhow04]

i Think the "Q" says it all! Whats yoru vote Good Sirs and Madams! dont worry, the outcome is not death![/color]

[stevie]

brendel is a c***, thats all i can say

[nanabush]

Ugh for me it'd be Satie, solely because of Vexations.... playing that on your own could quite possibly kill you... literally...

[allthumbs]

Greetings

Whoever chose death, may you be destined to play a "Heart and Soul" duet with every piano player that ever took lessons at some point in the distant past, but now only plays the melody part. For ever.... and ten thousand years after that...


Cheers

allthumbs

I hate that song...

[danyal]

brendel is a c***, thats all i can say

Then dont say anything at all. Ever. He's a better pianist than you are most likely ever going to be. And quite frankly, I find it disgusting that the great masters, who deserve the greatest of respect for where they are, and who they've become, get degraded and verbally assaulted on some random internet forum by jealous little hotshots who could never be half as good.

I can tell I'm not going to be very popular after saying that, but I dont care.

[brewtality]

Then dont say anything at all. Ever. He's a better pianist than you are most likely ever going to be.

What does that have to do with anything?

I find it disgusting that the great masters, who deserve the greatest of respect for where they are and who they've become

I'd hardly call Brendel a "great master". Boring and uninspired are words which more aptly describe him.
 

...get degraded and verbally assaulted on some random internet forum by jealous little hotshots who could never be half as good.

Again, how is this relevant? I don't think Stevie is in any way jealous, except of Brendel's girthy eyebrows. Possibly.

I can tell I'm not going to be very popular after saying that

popularity is the price of ignorance. We are all entitled to our own opinion, deal with it.

[prometheus]

Reger and Busoni piano concerto? Whoa? I would die for them instead of the other way around.

[stevie]

Then dont say anything at all. Ever. He's a better pianist than you are most likely ever going to be.

unlikely

i think brendel said this as a joke, but he often says stupid things like this.

he also dissed rachmaninov, he didnt only say that he didnt like the music, but that is just wasnt very good.

i like brendel's playing, but he isnt immune to being called a c***.

[perfect_pitch]

I would rather die than play that Sombjis Opus Clavimb-or-whatever-it's-called...

[ahinton]

I would rather die than play that Sombjis Opus Clavimb-or-whatever-it's-called...

Unles the practical results of future medical research come to permit otherwise, we'll likely all die sooner or later, but I see no reason why you should do so now as the only and unavoidable alternative to playing the work you mention, any more than I imagine that you would play that work in any case. For the record, the composer's name is Sorabji and the title of the piece Opus Clavicembalisticum - as I would have thought you might have known already from the many recent occasions on which it has been cited on this forum.

Best,

Alistair

[pseudopianist]

The Busoni concerto? How can one not like it? That first movement is splendid.

I'd kill to play Opus Clavicembalisticum....

Satie on the other hand...

[xvimbi]

The Busoni concerto? How can one not like it? That first movement is splendid.

I'd kill to play Opus Clavicembalisticum....

Satie on the other hand...

Yes, it is a lot easier to play 10 notes at a time than two or three. You mess up one and everybody will know. You mess up one out of 20, and nobody will realize. It's true, Satie or Mozart are simply too difficult

[prometheus]

Thats the difference between you and me. You and to please the crowd. I think one should perform the art.

It you play notes in the Opus Clavicembalisticum wrongly you just horribly fail. What does it matter if the audience can hear it?

What you are joking and provoking. I shouldn't have taken you this seriously...

[pianistimo]

i hope i wouldn't have to choose, but if forced onto the bench and told to play the busoni piano concerto or die, i would put my head under the lid and swiftly knock the support.  the busoni concerto sounds like he couldn't decide which composer to emulate the most.  you go through liszt, tausig, beethoven, etc.  and can actually hear each one as it passes.   the piano comes in out of nowhere.  was it a symphony or a piano concerto (i'm confused).  and then at the end, all of a sudden shock (it's from shock to shock to shock) a chorale. 

compared to beethoven's 9th, this is a travesty.  he was not an 'original' composer.  he borrowed too much.

not to say that i don't appreciate the words, but the chorale might stand on it's own.  i don't want to wait that long for it as it doesn't tie in.  would rather it was JUST a symphony, or JUST a piano concerto, or JUST a chorale.

[prometheus]

Sure, the piece can be called a 'freak of nature' or an aberration. Personally I would have cut out major parts. But this work is undeniable unique and interesting.

This is not a mature work. He started to write it at the age of 16. And this is not a true piano concerto either. He called it his 'Itallian Symphony'.

I don't see why he wouldn't be allowed to write a neo-classical/romantic work.

The music and skill in the piece is undeniable. And the frivolousness and lightness of the Youthy composer is just refreshing. Just like the 9th symphony is imperfect, which makes it great and memorable, this work takes it even further.

Maybe it takes a composer to appriate this work. Why should a work be clearly a concerto or symphony? Some romantic piano concerto's already have large symphonic tuttis. And what about the shocks? Whats wrong with them?
Criticising this work about its lack of intelligent structure and well thought out design. But the fact that one cannot bear a work that is shocking and that the taxonomic difficulties it brings along with it when it comes to classification, which are acceptable at explanations why someone may not like a work, cannot be blamed on the work itself.

[ahinton]

Sure, the piece can be called a 'freak of nature' or an aberration. Personally I would have cut out major parts. But this work is undeniable unique and interesting.

This is not a mature work. He started to write it at the age of 16. And this is not a true piano concerto either. He called it his 'Itallian Symphony'.

I don't see why he wouldn't be allowed to write a neo-classical/romantic work.

The music and skill in the piece is undeniable. And the frivolousness and lightness of the Youthy composer is just refreshing. Just like the 9th symphony is imperfect, which makes it great and memorable, this work takes it even further.

Maybe it takes a composer to appriate this work. Why should a work be clearly a concerto or symphony? Some romantic piano concerto's already have large symphonic tuttis. And what about the shocks? Whats wrong with them?
Criticising this work about its lack of intelligent structure and well thought out design. But the fact that one cannot bear a work that is shocking and that the taxonomic difficulties it brings along with it when it comes to classification, which are acceptable at explanations why someone may not like a work, cannot be blamed on the work itself.

Busoni also called this monumental work his "skyscraper" concerto. What indeed is "wrong" with it? There is already a precedent in the two Brahms piano concerti for a large symphonic canvas as being well compatible with a work for piano and orchestra. There is an earlier precedent in Beethoven's Choral Fantasy (admittedly not a great work by Beethoven's standards but an intriguing one nevertheless) for a work with piano solo, orchestra and chorus. Alan Bush also incorporated voices into the finale of his own substantial piano concerto in the 1930s. It has already been observed that Busoni "borrowed" extensively in his concerto; well, perhaps he did, just as he also edited and transcribed the works of other composers, especially J S Bach, but does this weaken his concerto? Not at all! If it "contains the world" (in the Mahler-to-Sibelius sense) sufficiently to make some people unconfirtable about it in terms of the kind of work that they may believe a piano concerto "should" be, then that's just too bad - but then it is surely very little different from Mahler's incorporation of chamber-music textures into certain of his works for large orchestra. No - Busoni's concerto is not a "mature" work as is his Doktor Faust - no one in his right mind would suggest anything of the sort - but it nevertheless remains one of the great peaks in the piano concerto repertoire and it was a work which Busoni both performed as soloist and conducted (with other soloists) thoughout the remainder of his tragically short life, so one may reasonably assume that it continued to mean much to him, even though his musical language has developed well beyond it in the ensuing two decades.

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

well, if this is a matter of opinion, i don't think he grew musically.  all his pieces sound about the same to me.  i don't think he was a genius.  he was a borrower all his life.  i came out feeling like i had fed pigeons or something.  please, please....(runs away) don't kill me.  i did go and hear it live.  in fact, on a bosendorfer piano.  i was just saddened by it's lack of imagination - and didn't like the borrowing.

this thread is a set up.  the complete works of satie as compared to the busoni concerto?  now who is really unreasonable?  WEBERN stinks.

i don't remember what chopin's first sonata sounds like.  i'll go take a listen.  wagner at least was original and thought very operatically.  if you like preludes and operatic liberties and can hear the singers, his music is probably ok - but it seems to need the backdrop of the stage and the action.  it doesn't sound as good when it's not orchestrated.  how much did wagner play the piano?  he conducted more, right?

[mrchops10]

compared to beethoven's 9th, this is a travesty.  he was not an 'original' composer.  he borrowed too much.

"A good composer does not imitate; he steals." --Igor Stravinsky, as "original" a composer as there ever was. Just a thought. 

[danyal]

Please excuse my uncalled for, unpleasant and particularly unfair comments... I was in a exceptionally foul mood at the time and the one Brendel comment that was made was just the straw that broke the camel's back on the day.

I really, if it is possible to do so, take what was said back and apologise deeply.

Please try to put it behind you, as will I. Thanks.

[mikey6]

Does anyone have a recording or score of the wagner sonata? I think I read there were 3 but you never see them or here of them.

[andhow04]

Does anyone have a recording or score of the wagner sonata? I think I read there were 3 but you never see them or here of them.

tats cos its bAdDdDdD!
i have the score to th B-flat Sonata. its so bad its funny. Maybe i c'n scan the first page or somthing and post it. if someone can tell me hows to post a picture.
i dunno if there are three i just have one. And i have a fantasy in F # minor that is nice but ToO LoNGnGnGnGngNgNg!

[clef]

I would die before I would accompony a rapper,

I hate rappers

[rimv2]

I would die before I would accompony a rapper,

I hate rappers

AHAHAAAHA

They probably return the sentiment


Why does the poll close in October?

The number wont truly be representative of an overall opinion unless it stays open forever