This concept of yours is akin to plastic surgery for movie stars.
My own piano related hand injuries were cured by acupuncture, a brutal forearm massage and a foul smelling oil.
You'll find a few people who stress the importance of proper movements to avoid injury, but it seems to be an uphill battle
I know there is a hand surgeon in London that specialises in musicians.
Not meaning any disrespect or discouragement, but I am not sure this is really worth your energy and effort.You will find people who injure themselves through foolishness.
No, this concept is akin to a doctor on a football team and very much in demand.
I'm thinking of sub-specialising in piano-related injuries.
Is that possible then?
And yes, the idea is to be able to tell what to do to fix the problem, not just to say "stop playing for a while" (although that's better than saying "take this, and continue what you are doing"). There are not many doctors who know anything about the piano, so the chance that one gets really useful advice is maybe 20%.
Yeah, I can see the physio idea. I wasn't aware that physios were Doctors?
To me, even if the number of Doctors who know about piano playing were 0%, the real problem is the teaching [or if it isn't, then it's the students not following the teaching] and it seems disengenous to suggest a profession that doesn't teach piano doesn't know about it, if the one that should doesn't either I know which I'd fix.
As Bob says - he's all for someone who knows about the piano and can help out with better movement and practise - err, am the only one seeing the irony in that? That's what I thought you were supposed to be when you said "Piano Teacher" on the CV Ok, there's the anatomy side that some might think they need to know? But that's BS in a sense - one of the worst descriptions of playing the piano starts with the pictures of the gooey bits inside your hand/arm and then tells you to do something that aiui is wrong - so much for that gooey bit authority that might convince a few it's right because it talks about anatomy.There, all the anatomy stuff does is, like the medical evidence in a trial, convinces people that something they have no clue about, like the injuries you'd expect get if you're hit by a poker 6 times, is irrefutable evidence because it's backed up with lots of latin. The proper movements are whatever they are, you don't need to be a Doctor to learn them and teach them afaict nor understand or teach human anatomy in order to do it.
For e.g, the ABRSM and Universities etc. That's where a lot are going through in the UK and the equiv in other countries, so they should be a drive for this if it's really as dire a situation as you sometimes paint. Are they churning out lots of injured pianists too? If there's a big call for specially trained piano doctors, surely someone should sue for their injuries - at least if they aren't mainly self-inflicted.
I would like to see someone with real science behind them.
I don't know what you are talking about. Nobody said one needs to know the Latin words, nobody said having information is equal to having knowledge. Of course, one must familiarize oneself with the concepts, not just open up a dictionary. That goes without saying, in any profession. Without that, everything is futile, so please don't drag the discussion down to such a level.
Calm down The point was I think you need that information to justify the method(s) but much of it probably should be dropped, unless the audience wants justification. People have used it in descriptions of piano playing that are wrong, and I think there is a certain danger that people will believe a method because it appears to be backed by science, even if they don't know whether the science is accurate or whether the bits that are scientifically accurate lead to conclusion that you should twiddle your arms in a particular way.
I suspect a lot of teachers would be put off by the material that discusses the detailed inner workings of the human body. Nobody needs to say people need to know it the book or method just needs to use them - or the flamewar needs to switch from piano technique [which nobody said they need to know either, but I figure folk playing piano want to know] to an argument about where the muscles are or aren't in your fingers [which, as you say, nobody said you need to know] - but if that's used as a way of justifying an approach to method, I've no choice but to know it to be able to say "Yep, that movement or approach makes sense, the other one is flawed"
I think teachers might consider themselves needing to be Doctors to be able to know the correct movements and thus teach them if the language looks like that of Doctors - and also, perhaps, to believe it's something very different from teaching piano.
i.e there definately seems to be a split here - as though having the movement knowledge isn't teaching piano and teaching piano doesn't require knowing the movement stuff - to me that's absurd, but am I wrong?That's not to criticise particular teachers. I've often seen Taubman described as something "for people who have injured themselves" - which is partly bad marketing on their part, but also I'd say, because of an idea I get from those threads, where some seem to think, you play the piano, and, if and only if you're one of the unlucky ones that gets injured then you need to be careful and do things like Taubman - or mebbe it's bad luck, weak hands or something and that means you find another career - even where folk won't give eye contact if injury is mentioned when approaching people who are supposedly experts in acadamia in teaching piano.
e.g Jamie Oliver's school dinners - a TV programme that has influenced the food given to young children at school, because of the playstation generation fud - they are all getting fat etc etc - that taught Cooks, not Nutritionists. If everyone is getting too fat, the solution isn't more nutritionists. I guess that's my point w.r.t why teachers not special doctors, but yeah, people will still get injured, so you need Doctors.
I think saying piano teachers can't see inside anatomy is disengeneous - neither can the patient, so whether the correct thing to teach is "one set of specific movements for playing the piano for all" or "finding the correct movements per person for them to play", that's what they need to teach. I note most of the piano related books don't suggest the latter, they seem to talk about one set of movements [don't read too literally - obviously they'll talk about seat height etc but the general fink / berstein is movements, not finding movements]
leahcim, I din't know you were going into medicine...
Topic: Piano medicine? 