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Offline lufia

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pathetique mvt 1(true tempo)
on: September 25, 2005, 11:34:33 AM
hey all. i need some help plz 4 pathethique

After the introduction(grave) its goes to allegro di molto e con brio, the part with the fast accending staccatos etc.


On my sheet music the tempo speed says 176. I play it at 186 or something cos 176 is too slow motion. On Arthur Rubenstein recording and another unknown person, he plays it over 220. what the f ? thats not even allegro.

Whats the true tempo for this piece? I don't want other peoples interpretation, whats the true tempo beethovern wrote it for or the tempo you people play it at.
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Offline zheer

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Re: pathetique mvt 1(true tempo)
Reply #1 on: September 25, 2005, 12:00:40 PM
I think WILHELM KEMPFF plays it at the right tempo its not to fast and not to slow,
listen to him play this sonata.
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Re: pathetique mvt 1(true tempo)
Reply #2 on: September 25, 2005, 01:40:13 PM
oki , thx i go look 4 it
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Re: pathetique mvt 1(true tempo)
Reply #3 on: September 26, 2005, 11:12:00 AM
I actually play it at Crotchet = 166. It sounds fairly nice and can really bring out the harmonies a lot better.

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Re: pathetique mvt 1(true tempo)
Reply #4 on: September 27, 2005, 04:36:11 AM
Bullow - Lebert - Schirmer edition
The relation between the movement of the Introduction and the Allegro is
properly this: That a whole note in the latter is exactly equivalent to an
eighth-note in the former.  Consequently, the Allegro may be begun at a rate of MM minima = 132, which movement would not, however, be fast enough further on, in view of the passionate character developed.

Urtext Edition, Shott/Universal Edition
Alexander Jenner suggests the relative tempi:
1- Grave - quaver = Allegro di molto e con brio - semibreve = 66 - 76
2- Adagio cantabile - quaver  = 66 - 76
3 - Allegro - minima = 66 - 76

Urtext - Peters - Arrau - This edition makes a comparison with Czerny
metronome markings:
Grave - semiquaver= 96 (Arrau) - 92 (Czerny)
Allegro di molto e con brio minima = 152 (Arrau) - 144 (Czerny)
Adagio cantabile quaver = 60 (Arrau) - 54 (Czerny)
Rondo - Allegro - minima = 100 (Arrau) - 96 (Czerny)

I like very much  Kempff pulse, and  Christina Ortiz has a nice recording too.

Pedro


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Re: pathetique mvt 1(true tempo)
Reply #5 on: September 29, 2005, 01:09:32 PM
 :) thank you souza and pitch, dis place is tha bomb!! nbajhahahah 
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