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Offline pianodaria

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Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
on: September 25, 2005, 07:20:50 PM
Who has the most extensive, diverse and challenging repertoire among living classical pianists?

I guess it would be Marc-Andre Hamelin (his concerto collection is here: https://www.giamanagement.com/repertoire.asp?MusicianID=2), although I couldn't find his solo repertoire anywhere...

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #1 on: September 25, 2005, 07:31:48 PM
candidates-

biret, libetta, pace, hamelin

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #2 on: September 26, 2005, 02:50:47 AM
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Offline Alde

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #3 on: September 26, 2005, 03:13:30 AM
You could also include Pollini and Barenboim.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #4 on: September 26, 2005, 04:56:52 AM
living pianist? Ashkenazy I think

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #5 on: September 26, 2005, 06:44:34 AM
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living pianist? Ashkenazy I think

I would vote for him.

Pollini used to have the biggest memorized and technically perfected repertoire.

Hamelin´s repertoire is huge but he is often surprisingly sloppy when he performs standard virtuoso works instead of the rare ones.

Some people said that John Ogdon´s repertoire was  unlimited in the sixties, since he could learn anything even the hardest (short) modern works  from sight within a few hours.



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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #6 on: September 26, 2005, 07:27:57 AM
living pianist? Ashkenazy I think


making no comment on quality surely Ashkenhazy must have one of the largest recorded repertoire.

There are probably others who have a larger repertoire but not recorded???
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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #7 on: September 26, 2005, 12:38:27 PM
How about more simple, less-known names? The reason why, is because I was wondering, if you should count any work you've memorized at some point as your repertoire, or only those pieces that were performed in public. In this case, there are many good performers without a consistent opportunity to perform, but they accumulate the number of works (since there is nothing else they can do ::) )

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #8 on: September 26, 2005, 02:05:13 PM
Svitoslav died 9 years ago and yes he had a huge repertoir.
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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #9 on: September 26, 2005, 06:09:31 PM
living pianist? Ashkenazy I think

I would have to disagree.  Ashkenazy's repertoire primarily consists of Beethoven and romantic composers.  I am not aware of Ashkenazy performing Bach or contemporary repertoire.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #10 on: September 26, 2005, 06:17:02 PM
Have you ever seen Leslie Howards repertoire!  Besides the complete music of Liszt and Beethoven, he has many many concertos.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #11 on: September 26, 2005, 07:08:35 PM
Jeno Jando has a huge recorded repertoire.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #12 on: September 27, 2005, 12:58:13 AM
what? I'm horrendously horrified nobody mentioned Horowitz.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #13 on: September 27, 2005, 01:44:56 AM
what? I'm horrendously horrified nobody mentioned Horowitz.
That's because he did not have a big repertoire, simple !
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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #14 on: September 27, 2005, 02:06:41 AM
That's because he did not have a big repertoire, simple !

horowitz had a huge one!

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #15 on: September 27, 2005, 04:15:10 AM
I read once that Richter had 40 concerti memorized that he could play at a moment's notice. He had a HUGE reportoire, and he is just about the only pianist who recorded the Rimsky-Korsakov Piano Concerto. I played this as an oddity, but when a major pianist like Richter plays it, you know he must really be running out of reportoire.  ;D
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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #16 on: September 27, 2005, 04:35:54 AM
According to a book I have, Richter had 651 solo works in his repertoie, 70 vocal, 118 chamber and 64 concertos, for a total of 903 works. That should be around 200 hours, a bit less maybe. And BTW, Richter played the Rimsky-Korsakov concerto 9 times, the first time being in 49, when he had about 400 work in his repertoire, so he wasn't "running out" of repertoire yet. :)

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #17 on: September 27, 2005, 05:43:47 AM
Did Richter had all these works memorized?

I am not talking about the old Richter that had some memory breakdowns live.

Horowitz didn´t have very big repertoire.

It was actually only a few works that he really played with that amazing musicallity that we want to remember him for today.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #18 on: September 27, 2005, 01:47:45 PM
Well, most of it, I guess. Chamber music is played with the score, but that doesn't mean it's not memorized.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #19 on: September 27, 2005, 04:16:53 PM
horowitz had a huge one!
Considering that he performed from his teens to his 80s, he had a very small repertoire. True, it was varied...bits and pieces of lots of composers, but still a small one compared to the other greats.
Waste of time -- do not read signatures.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #20 on: October 06, 2005, 04:59:59 AM
Even though he already died, Fiorentino had a huge repertoire - really huge, even for pianists with huge repertoires.
Living - Carlo Grante
Ashkenazie
Sgouros
...etc.  too many to list

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #21 on: October 06, 2005, 12:05:24 PM
When it comes to perfected Memory work.. I think the winner is Perahia... Not once have I ever heard him make a single Note slip or mistake on the piano...

Something odd about it...   Maybe he's a robot??  :o

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #22 on: October 06, 2005, 01:35:28 PM
When it comes to perfected Memory work.. I think the winner is Perahia... Not once have I ever heard him make a single Note slip or mistake on the piano...

I certainly share your admiration of Perahia.  However, I attended a recital of his in which he had a slight memory lapse.  It was in the Chopin Op.40, No.2 Polonaise.  In the final reprise of the main theme, he entered one measure early.  It was covered very well, and only someone who was very familiar with the piece would have noticed.
The recital was still spendid.
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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #23 on: October 06, 2005, 05:19:43 PM
Pollini in his prime had an awesome memory.

He could play tons of works from memory. Including  modern music like Boulez, Webern etc.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #24 on: October 06, 2005, 06:38:10 PM
i agree with the jeno jando nomination.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #25 on: October 06, 2005, 06:40:38 PM
According to a book I have, Richter had 651 solo works in his repertoie, 70 vocal, 118 chamber and 64 concertos, for a total of 903 works. That should be around 200 hours, a bit less maybe. And BTW, Richter played the Rimsky-Korsakov concerto 9 times, the first time being in 49, when he had about 400 work in his repertoire, so he wasn't "running out" of repertoire yet. :)

I just counted and MA hamelin has 67 concerti in his repertoire and I am sure it will increase.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #26 on: October 06, 2005, 09:03:18 PM
I forgot about Michael Ponti - he must have the biggest repertoire of all living pianists today - his recordings seem innumerable, and including very obscure and difficult repertoire - do any members know about him?

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #27 on: October 07, 2005, 03:14:24 PM
I forgot about Michael Ponti - he must have the biggest repertoire of all living pianists today - his recordings seem innumerable, and including very obscure and difficult repertoire - do any members know about him?

Who cares for hard pieces. Any concert pianist can play the "hard" pieces.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #28 on: October 08, 2005, 03:34:09 AM
I would have to disagree.  Ashkenazy's repertoire primarily consists of Beethoven and romantic composers.  I am not aware of Ashkenazy performing Bach or contemporary repertoire.

Prokofiev concertos? Scriabin sonatas? (not that romantic after the fifth)

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #29 on: October 08, 2005, 03:46:19 AM
Who cares for hard pieces. Any concert pianist can play the "hard" pieces.

but not everyone is a concert pianist.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #30 on: October 08, 2005, 04:38:54 AM
Who cares for hard pieces. Any concert pianist can play the "hard" pieces.

Even if most concert pianists can play the more technically challenging works, I think many of them view certain works as "more trouble than they are worth", in other words, the Alkan Symphony for example may be a cool piece, but that means enormous time and work invested. Same with Godowsky Etudes, etc.  So most limit their repertoire to pieces that they feel have something to say, rather than to show how fast their little fingers can move, like Chopin Ballades or Beethoven Sonatas or Debussy Preludes.  Of course, then there are those pianists who make their careers playing difficult obscure music, because they can't play Beethoven, Schubert, or Chopin very well - isn't it strange?

In the end it's like Richter said: "Difficult is what you can't do" - - so what's considered "hard" is different for every pianist, I guess...

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #31 on: October 08, 2005, 05:27:20 AM
Who cares for hard pieces. Any concert pianist can play the "hard" pieces.

This is coming from someone who touts his ability to play the Mazeppa?

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #32 on: October 08, 2005, 06:08:23 AM
but not everyone is a concert pianist.

We are speaking about concert pianists.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #33 on: October 08, 2005, 06:11:34 AM
This is coming from someone who touts his ability to play the Mazeppa?

Yes, and it is NOT the point of the playing of that person.

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Re: Virtually Unlimited Repertoire
Reply #34 on: October 08, 2005, 09:36:22 AM
Prokofiev concertos? Scriabin sonatas? (not that romantic after the fifth)

And he also is a conductor.
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