How to do this trill (pathetique mvt1)

[lufia]

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what notes do i play 4 the trill plz.

[abell88]

Trill with F and E-flat, ending with the little "turn" (D and E-flat) as written.

[mrchops10]

Just to clarify, it should also probably start on the E flat. I don't want to start a fight, but generally in classical music you trill from the bottom if that prevents repeating to note before the trill (here an F). Go with your ear, though. BTW, I think the fingering is screwy. I would trill with 5 and 3, then end 2 3 21.

[Souza]

Try the sound of the trill  begining with F ....Claudio Arrau editions sugests that way.

Try the sound begining withy E...as Jenner, Schenker and Bullow  sugest at respective editions.

In Henle editions no sugestions.

I prefer to attack ALMOST as a  chord C E F, almost simultaneously..and not CE or CF....

Could be a bad and wrong advice, BUT,  It sounds better for me... at high speed this sugestion could be very useful....as a chord,  we don't know if begins with the principal/real note or if begins with  auxiliary/superior note...it's very useful only in  fast tempo. 

In a good piano with fast repetition this "trick" perhaps be unnecessary.

Remember, a chord is the fastest way to play melodic notes.....so...think about... and try almost as a chord at high speed.

By the way, Bullow says..."As an exception to the rule, this trill must not begin on the auxiliary, so as not to blur the melodic outlines;  seven notes 3 5 3 5323 2  vigorously played suffice in such rapid tempo."

Pedro

[pianistimo]

interesting!  and, good advice to add holding the c to the start of the trill.

[lufia]

!! great thanks souza n all!!