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Chopin Studies and Schubert Impromptu

on: October 05, 2005, 04:54:31 PM

Hi! I'm an italian piano student, I'm 16 years old and I'm new here!

My English is quite horrible, so excuse me!

I would like to post some recordings by me! There are three studies op.10 by Chopin and the Impromptu op.90 n.2 in e flat by Schubert!
I hope you like it (the quality is quite low, I'm sorry!)

Studio10-3.mp3 (980.77 kB - downloaded 429 times.)

Studio10-4.mp3 (433.88 kB - downloaded 626 times.)

Studio10-12.mp3 (687.84 kB - downloaded 504 times.)

Improvviso90-2.mp3 (1078.5 kB - downloaded 420 times.)

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Reply #1 on: October 05, 2005, 06:14:43 PM

You are very talented, i played those Etudes when i was 16 and i was arrested for noise polution. Where are you learning the piano.

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Re: Chopin Studies and Schubert Impromptu

Reply #2 on: October 05, 2005, 06:43:06 PM

Thanks for the compliments!

I study piano in Sanremo, city where i live.
For my exams i go to Torin's conservatory.

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Reply #3 on: October 05, 2005, 08:12:06 PM

you are 16?

you have an incredible technique!

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Reply #4 on: October 06, 2005, 02:47:26 AM

Damn.

I am suprised you are letting us listen to these recordings for free, they are better than some professionals I have recordings of.

I am 15, and I suck.
Can you tell me some of the things you did to make your fingers move that quickly, accurately, and smoothly, i.e. excercises, previous pieces?

How long did it take you to learn those pieces?

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Reply #5 on: October 06, 2005, 03:42:24 AM

Quote from: mr89 on October 05, 2005, 04:54:31 PM

Hi! I'm an italian piano student, I'm 16 years old and I'm new here!
My English is quite horrible, so excuse me!
I would like to post some recordings by me! There are three studies op.10 by Chopin and the Impromptu op.90 n.2 in e flat by Schubert!
I hope you like it (the quality is quite low, I'm sorry!)

How did you make these recordings?

Gary

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Reply #6 on: October 06, 2005, 04:02:09 AM

Opus 10, No. 4.

Your recording is faster than that of Horowitz and other famous recordings. I'll leave it to other people to decide how you have acheived the result.

Having said that, and drawing no conclusions about your method of recording, I would like to see you maximize other things, such as dynamics, accents, etc.

Gary

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Reply #7 on: October 06, 2005, 01:29:56 PM

You're playing a digital piano, yes? If so, it's an intriguing digital recording.

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Reply #8 on: October 06, 2005, 02:12:50 PM

Ehm... first of all, i would like to thanks all of you who listened my recordings!
I tried to apply the advices and i'm very happy of the result! So, thanks again!

For my tecnique i used Cortot's "Principi razionali della tecnica pianistica". It's a very useful book, but you need a good teacher who shows you how to use it!

Well, thanks to all for the compliments and i wait for other comments!

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Reply #9 on: October 06, 2005, 04:46:03 PM

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For my tecnique i used Cortot's "Principi razionali della tecnica pianistica". It's a very useful book, but you need a good teacher who shows you how to use it!

I agree!!! cortots exercises are IMO the best which exist!!! And you really need a teacher who shows you how to do them. I have one

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Reply #10 on: October 07, 2005, 02:40:37 AM

These recordings are so good I have been listening to them instead of my CDs.
How long did it take you to learn these pieces. What was the hardest to you?

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Reply #11 on: October 07, 2005, 02:42:02 AM

Ah hesitate to comment.

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Reply #12 on: October 07, 2005, 01:30:15 PM

Quote from: Contrapunctus on October 07, 2005, 02:40:37 AM

These recordings are so good I have been listening to them instead of my CDs.
How long did it take you to learn these pieces. What was the hardest to you?

To learn those pieces it took me five-six months...

Quote from: rimv2 on October 07, 2005, 02:42:02 AM

Ah hesitate to comment.

Ehm... excuse me, I didnt' understand what did you want to mean (i said that my english is very very horrible and i don't understand all...)

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Reply #13 on: October 11, 2005, 01:47:39 AM

Congratulations Marco, you are a very talented young man. Your playing of these Etudes is technically superior and more musical than that of some famous pianists.

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Reply #14 on: October 11, 2005, 02:14:18 AM

BRAVO!!!! I will be able to say I heard of you before you were famous...

Tell us please; are these difficult for you? Because it seems as if you're tossing them off as if they were nothing at all... you are very gifted and I'm sure your teacher is very proud of you!

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Reply #15 on: October 11, 2005, 05:00:30 AM

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! I don't believe I am reading this...

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Reply #16 on: October 11, 2005, 06:09:01 AM

Quote from: sonatainfsharp on October 11, 2005, 05:00:30 AM

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! I don't believe I am reading this...

What?

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Reply #17 on: October 11, 2005, 06:25:58 AM

Quote from: arensky on October 11, 2005, 06:09:01 AM

What?

I get it F#, you think they're MIDI files; it's not clean enough for that, there's something human going on.

Marco, you should post something on an acoustic piano; they sound better and we would like to hear what you sound like on a real piano.

I think they're real, I could be wrong but....

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Reply #18 on: October 11, 2005, 12:50:52 PM

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Marco, you should post something on an acoustic piano; they sound better and we would like to hear what you sound like on a real piano.

If i had an acoustic piano I would record them with him.

Do you really think that if i had an acoutic piano i would have recorded those pieces on a digital?

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Reply #19 on: October 11, 2005, 01:46:29 PM

Quote from: mr89 on October 11, 2005, 12:50:52 PM

If i had an acoustic piano I would record them with him.
Do you really think that if i had an acoutic piano i would have recorded those pieces on a digital?

if you are lying then yes.

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Reply #20 on: October 11, 2005, 01:57:42 PM

hmm honestly, it is ridiculous to assume the 10-4 is a genuine recording. Comparing the 10-12 to the 10-4, erm, anyone can deffo say the revolutionary is legit and the 10-4 is midi ****, Ive played them both and the n12 shows your real tech, you simply can't play 10-4 like that if you play 10-12 like this (im not saying it's bad).

keep up the work anyway

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Reply #21 on: October 11, 2005, 02:52:00 PM

Why i must play the 12 as the 4?
I wanted to interpretate the 12 in that way, and the 4 in that other way. Stop. I felt the 4 more technical than 12.
Why do you want to say that i'm lying?

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Reply #22 on: October 11, 2005, 03:10:58 PM

well Im not talking about the way you wanted the 12 to sound, Im talking about the way you accomplished your idea of how it was supposed to sound. but ok.

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Reply #23 on: October 12, 2005, 04:39:03 AM

he is talented
u all jelous of him
me too
blah.

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Reply #24 on: October 15, 2005, 04:19:03 AM

congratulations! ur very talented and on ur way to success.

but sorry to say that i don't believe in ur op. 10-4. you must have been working on your digital piano for so long that you been so used to it without hearing the differences like overtones, touch, etc. contrary to the acoustic piano. but i wouldn't really wanna think that the eveness in ur op. 10-4 is real, im sorry, really. it can't be that even.

i look forward to hearing you live in the future! u have great talent!

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Reply #25 on: October 15, 2005, 12:01:14 PM

Quote from: hodi on October 12, 2005, 04:39:03 AM

he is talented
u all jelous of him
me too
blah.

Giving critique makes one jealous? Don't make me die laughing. Besides I'm never jealous at one's playing (wierd huh, some ppl can only enjoy, admire and respect playing that is superior to their own's).
Let alone I'd be jealous at playing which is similar to how a fax machine works. No offence buddy.

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Reply #26 on: October 25, 2005, 08:15:45 PM

Very impressive!
i'm 15 also studying piano - I'm trying Schubert;s Impromptu in a flat op. 142, you tried it? i love the piece..your impromptu in E flat was amazing, its transitional grade 7/8 isnt it? I loved it, and I definitely think it was yours...the interpretation of the dynamics was that original! Loved the ritendando at the end of Schubert's impromptu in E flat, by the way!
good luck
xx

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Reply #27 on: October 26, 2005, 05:49:23 AM

Good job on everything. You are obviously talented, but the 10/4 is not convincing me of it's authenticity. As an owner of a digital piano, I'm sorry to say you didn't fool me. Take for instance, in 0:16 there is an obvious tempo difference between sections where you probably tried some rubato at a slower tempo and tried to catch a metronome or something. I believe this 10/4 is a slow recording that has been sped up. Am I right?

How many of these recordings are actually real -- and recorded at the tempo shown here?

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Reply #28 on: October 26, 2005, 10:39:07 AM

the 10/4 is fake without a doubt

the giveaway is where you managed to OUTCLASS the andrei gavrilov studio recording: the evenness of the lefthand passagework in the 2nd half of the coda

anyone who's played this piece knows that at speed it's impossible to make the 16th notes in that section sound completely even in terms of both duration and volume. you managed to do that AND play it louder than your right hand.

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Reply #29 on: November 14, 2005, 09:42:16 PM

I don't know if they are a fake or not... but I find all of them are good.

Congratulations on recording them.They are really impressive

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Reply #30 on: December 22, 2005, 11:25:03 AM

Why don't you all believe that Marco actually played op.10, no.4? Why do you think this can't possibly be his genuine playing?

Everyone, have a listen to this.

https://www.pianocompetition.com/index2.php/competition2002/winners/detail/10

an actual recording of a prize winner playing this exact same piece.

Now, i would think twice before accusing someone of faking their own playing

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Reply #31 on: December 22, 2005, 01:42:26 PM

Quote from: frederic on December 22, 2005, 11:25:03 AM

Everyone, have a listen to this.

https://www.pianocompetition.com/index2.php/competition2002/winners/detail/10

an actual recording of a prize winner playing this exact same piece.

this is an excellent performance and an even better point for comparison.

have a listen to the LH passage that i pointed out. and if you think this is one-off sloppiness in a live situation, i would also recommend the STUDIO RECORDINGS of gavrilov, cziffra, browning, pollini (purportedly spliced together one bar at a time), or Mei-ting Sun's live performance from the chopin competition. Compare each one with the performance posted here. now ask yourself, do ANY of them reach anywhere NEAR the same level of clarity and evenness in that passage?

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Reply #32 on: December 22, 2005, 03:41:38 PM

Quote from: frederic on December 22, 2005, 11:25:03 AM

Why don't you all believe that Marco actually played op.10, no.4? Why do you think this can't possibly be his genuine playing?

Everyone, have a listen to this.

https://www.pianocompetition.com/index2.php/competition2002/winners/detail/10

an actual recording of a prize winner playing this exact same piece.

Now, i would think twice before accusing someone of faking their own playing

try hard to be able to distinguish what's real from what's NOT real. obviously, mr89's 10/4 is a fake (for the nth time). omg, please, can't your suppposedly trained ears hear the difference from Titova's? i owned a digital piano for five years until i sold it. i could actually record slow, and then would speed it up. and the notes did sound as insanely even as how mr89's 10/4 did! i should know because i used to do it for fun, not for posting though.

i actually believe in the no. 12, although i wouldn't be surprised with whatever.

all the best.

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Reply #33 on: December 22, 2005, 08:39:47 PM

Me, being a newbie at the piano compared to everyone here,

It's hard to believe that the piece can be played that fast especially by a 16 year old...

But that's what I think.

Good job anyways.

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Reply #34 on: December 22, 2005, 09:10:49 PM

I have a request.

Screw up a couple times on the 10-12,
And I'll believe that you really did play those songs

And I'll truely be inspired to work harder on my practices.

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Reply #35 on: December 23, 2005, 02:14:21 AM

Only listened to the 10/4. Sorry, going to have to call your bluff.

It's not that I don't believe that 16 year olds can play well. I've seen many 16 year olds play incredible things. Some would say that when I was 16 I did so too. However, there's a difference between amazing playing, and quite frankly, obviously fake playing. This falls into the latter category. Anybody with sufficient understanding of pianism can tell what is real and what is not. I do not need to, and thus will not, go into an explanation of why this falls within that category.

Besides, if you really did play that 10/4 (which I am very sure you did not), why do you care if people don't believe you? You should take that as a compliment. (I know that I do when people don't believe my playing. But then again, I don't try to fool people with obviously fake recordings.)

I don't like to call people out, because it's not a nice thing to do, but if you want to convince us, then you're going to have to provide video proof. Don't tell me you don't have access to a video camera, because these days, every other person has at least a digital still camera with a video mode. It really isn't that hard.

I never understood why people post things that are blatantly not their recordings and claim authorship. Do some people really lack that much self-esteem? (Remember "Araeth", anyone? lol)

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Reply #36 on: December 23, 2005, 02:57:18 AM

Quote from: e60m5 on December 23, 2005, 02:14:21 AM

(Remember "Araeth", anyone? lol)

da myth haz turned into legend

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Reply #37 on: December 23, 2005, 03:30:44 AM

Quote from: stevie on December 23, 2005, 02:57:18 AM

da myth haz turned into legend

Randomly, have unblocked you on MSN.

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Reply #38 on: December 23, 2005, 04:12:40 PM

I really liked what e60m5 said.

I'm sure that's how some of us feel.

I also believe 16 year olds can play that well, but I didn't think this particular recording is legitimate.

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Reply #39 on: December 23, 2005, 07:19:56 PM

I don't know what's really going on here, but I suddenly remembered the time when a friend of mine was studying 10/4. She recorded the piece with the digital piano, in a very very slow tempo, and then she sped it up. It sounded exactly like this recording. Insanely even, just like crazy for i.m. said.

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Reply #40 on: December 24, 2005, 02:48:47 AM

Quote from: sss3d on December 23, 2005, 04:12:40 PM

I also believe 16 year olds can play that well, but I didn't think this particular recording is legitimate.

then i wonder on what grounds do you doubt its legitimacy?

read e60's post again and you will know he does not share this belief. This is a fake recording PRECISELY BECAUSE no pianist regardless of age have demonstrated this level of technical finish (absolute evenness, clarity, syncronization) in several key passages when similar tempos were taken. Not Cziffra, not Argerich, not Horowitz, not Gavrilov, not Browning, not Pollini

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Reply #41 on: December 24, 2005, 04:12:04 PM

very rarely have i gotten myself into numbers, but i feel a vibration of no. 13 than 16.

before i get asked what i am rambling about, lemme tell whoever uses no. 16 in this thread; dont overshoot!

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