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Chopin: Etude Op. 10 No. 4 in C-sharp Minor

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Frédéric Chopin - Etudes :
Etude, Op. 10 No. 4
Etude Op. 10 No. 4  in C-sharp Minor by Chopin piano sheet music
Key: C-sharp Minor Year: 1832
Level: 8+ Period: Early Romantic
piano sheet music Piano score: PS Urtext (618 kB)
piano sheet music Piano score: Scholtz edition (1270 kB)



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xx Chopin - Etude in c#minor, op 10 no 4 (slow_concert_pianist-ish version)
April 20, 2012, 04:38:52 AM by richard_strauss

I've finished "reading" this etude earlier today. In the beginning I was rather stiffed and there're things I do like holding a note to turn the page and then starting at a much slower tempo. Probably the tempo is more than I can handle right now but I'm quite confident that I can play it at this tempo. For the record, I can play this better but I'm exhausted right now so I kept the first take and converted it to mp3. Thanks for listening (suffering?)!  Grin


xx In with the new out with the old Video Chopin op10-4 final
April 07, 2012, 10:42:02 AM by johnmar78

Hi folks,

My head kept singing this tune when ever I go, even in the shopping center, I think I might have some mental problem. So I got up next day, jumped on my piano and did 2 takes-of course I warmed up for aprox 10 minutes playing op10-1.

How ever, in my prevous take 2 weeks ago, the main feedbacks was TOO SLOW, and NEEDS more musical expression. So using  relaxzation method I have proved, speed and power comes from muscle relaxzation in a "certain muscle groups". and I have proved my point.
So I did it. No more for this year, I will focus on something else.

I did this morning to capture my mood and piano sound with my second take. Again, no sound editing or any reverbs, or slicing.
This was played with very little pedaling...I hope you like my rendition

Ps, Sorry about my facial expression, and No, I have not got anything in my mouth.... Roll Eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCndUumFSgA

 Welcome any feedbacks.


xx Chopin-Etude in C# minor vs. Beethoven-Moonlight Sonata 3rd Movement
July 08, 2011, 06:50:56 PM by corecase

Just curious, which would you guys consider to be more difficult?  I know it will not be an easy question to answer, but i'm just looking for subjective opinions; you don't have to prove anything.
Thanks!

EDIT: I just changed my topic, because i noticed that Fantasie Impromptu is WAY easier.  Hopefully this will bring up more of a challenge.


xx Chopin Etude Op.10/4 Bar 30, 4th beat question
June 25, 2011, 01:42:48 AM by rgh613

Regarding the 30th full bar of Op.10, no.4 in C#minor:

for the 2nd 16th note of the fourth beat, the left hand has a C double-sharp written (x) and the right hand has a C without any symbols (1 octave higher). In beat 2, the C is given a natural, which of course means to play any subsequent C's in this measure as a C natural (unless notated otherwise). My question is: what should the RH play in this 2nd 16th note of the fourth beat? It's either a C or a C-double-sharp (i.e. the D).

I've looked at various editions, but nothing clarifies this.
I appreciate any comments on this.




question Are Op 116-1 and Op 116-7 by Brahms as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12
September 21, 2010, 05:08:03 AM by presto agitato

Hello

Do you people know those caprices by Brahms?
Do you think they are as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12?

Thanks






xx Chopin - Etude op 10 no 4
March 23, 2010, 06:03:48 AM by carazymcmahon



This is just my second etude.

Thoughts, opinions, and advice? Throw it all at me!

Thanks Smiley


xx Chopin Etude No. 4 -- Fingering Question
December 30, 2009, 04:43:34 AM by cubsfan334

Hi guys,

I'm currently learning the Etude No. 4 in C sharp, and in measures 27 - 28 there's a tricky part that involves playing 16th notes in fingers 2 3 4 and 5 of the right hand while holding quarter notes in the thumb.  I was wondering if it would be acceptable to play the thumb notes in the right hand with the left hand?  My hands are big enough to do it easily.

Sheet music is here: [link removed by moderator]

Thanks,
Tom


xx F.Chopin - etude op.10 no4
November 23, 2009, 10:44:02 PM by chris_master

Thanks for listening,  please comment Smiley


question Fingering For Chopin Etude Op.10 #4
November 03, 2008, 06:52:00 AM by kayordee

Hey guys, I was wondering what techniques I could use to help with the fingering and speed of bars 2 and 3 (not including anacarusis). Im having difficulty executing these bars and help will be appreciated - thanks. Cheesy
 PS: if anyone isnt sure I should be doing this then can you suggest any other pieces that incorporate the difficulties of this etude or any build up pieces


xx Chopin Etudes Op. 25/2 & Op. 10/4
October 28, 2008, 02:57:09 PM by mkaykov

I recorded it just now (10.28.08) , just a run-through before my lesson today.
Please tell me what you think......


exclamation Chopin: Etudes Op. 10 No. 1, 2, 4 & Ballade No. 2 in F major, Op 38 - LIVE
June 15, 2008, 07:48:29 PM by le_poete_mourant

Hey everybody -- these are a few Chopin recordings from my high school senior recital a couple weeks ago. 

Chopin Etudes Op. 10
No. 1 in C major
No. 2 in A minor
No. 4 in C# minor

Chopin: Ballade No. 2 in F major, Op. 38

Live & unedited - Kilbourn Hall, Rochester NY.  June 1 2008. 


xx Chopin 10-4 Fingering & other Question
June 12, 2008, 01:22:24 PM by hello99

Have several questions regarding the chopin's etude 10-4

On fingering

I'm using Peter's edition, and the fingering for

Bar #3 uses 2-3-2-5, 1-2-1-5, 1-2-1-5
(for the 2nd-4th beat of the bar)

I have another versions which uses : 1-3-2-5 1-3-2-5 1-3-2-5

(I'm not sure what version is it, I got it on PDF on my com)

I tried using both. I learn the etude using the first set of fingerings. And I think there is some noticeable difference in both fingerings. (the latter sounds smoother?).

Which fingering is the more acceptable one? Pros? Cons. I heard from a friend that the 2nd allows you to play faster. How true is that? And which fingerings do the professionals use?

Also,

in the left hand, Peter's edition states that you play 3-4-3-1, 3-4-3-1, 4-5-4-1, on bar #7. But the other version seems to like using 4-2-3-1 (switching fingers on the keys). And it seems universal throughout the entire score.

Again, I learn this via 3-4-3-1. I'm not sure about the left hand but when the left hand plays the running notes it seems that either fingerings do sound very much the same (unlike when the right hand plays the running notes).

My question is, one method seems like doing a thrill (a lot shorter than it ), and using the pinky to play the last note. While the other uses more of swapping fingers on the keys. I'm sure this effect how this etude is played as a whole. Personally, is the swapping finger method more technically demanding (or is it just me because I have to adapt). I have a feeling that the latter (the swapping of fingers) seem more "correct" and enables one to play faster eventually.

Other issues

1) from runs to melody

No specific passage but it's more evident in the 2nd-3rd page of the Etude

What is the fastest way to transition from a passage of running notes to the melody. (hope I made sense). Like in some cases, where the right hand plays 1-2-1-5  2 or 3 times (in patterns) and then immediately at such a position immediately "jump" to play the melody. I can do that comfortably at around 160-165BPM but anything faster than that will be hard and I find myself missing the last note on the passage run (which is played on the pinky) in order to go at faster speeds.

Does this limit the speed at which this etude can go?

2) At bar #25-#28 (pardon me if there's a mistake, I merely counted)
I'm using 4-5, 4-5 all the way on the first two semi quavers of each beat on the right hand. I think so far from what I've thought that's the only possible fingering

Specifically on bar #27-28 (where the key signature changes back to C#), i find myself cheating or producing uneven tone on the last finger. Also, if there is a tension-prone area, it would be this area which produces the first sign of tension. (though it might be built up, I'm not very sure).

Does slow practice help in this passage? Chances are it sounds (to me) okay if I just try to "muscle" it through, and moving my pinky (along) at timed intervals (because they tend to move at the same interval due to the nature of the notes and passage) after each time the fourth finger moves. I can rush through this section, but not accurately. (possibly).

Is this passage specifically to train the last finger?

3) pedal for this etude is subjective right?

I heard people comment that no pedal is allowed at majority of the places in this etude. But from what I hear (and according to my score), it says pedal in many areas.

Does it mean you are technically not as well off if you use pedal. (maybe not to hide flaws in evenness or whatever, but more of a musical function?).

I use pedal throughout the descending notes at the fourth page of the Etude (and mainly the entire passage till the repeat of course at intervals)



Thanks in advance. Hope I am not being very vague in details. I believe many people here are studying this etude (or played it in the past).

I'm playing it at 160BPM. I practice at 160BPM. when I do slow practice, I go around 120-130 where note could be heard clearly. I just finished and memorized the piece (though it's not ready for presentation just yet).

I have heavy touch piano so on a lighter piano I could go 165-170BPM (I naturally play at that speed on a different piano, I don't know why..).

I'm probably not aiming more for speed. I think 160+ is what I intend to leave this piece (I'm not trying for 180+ or whatsoever). But right now I'm polishing it.












xx Chopin 10/4 coda help
May 08, 2008, 06:31:07 PM by pmz310

I'm having trouble having accuracy witht he left hand, and I can't bring it up to speed for my life!!!


xx How hard is Chopin-Godowsky Op. 25 No. 11?
September 22, 2007, 12:46:46 PM by dnephi

I spoke with a friend of mine about different Chopin Etudes and he asserted that Op. 25 No. 11 was far more difficult and beneficial to his technique than Op. 10 No. 4 or 10 No. 5. 

This only works the right hand though, and for equal benefit, one would need to tackle the Godowsky study. 

How hard is it?

Regards,

Daniel  Grin


xx op 10 no 4 !!!
July 17, 2007, 11:34:56 PM by piano89

 Listen the best performance  op 10 no 4- Chopin ?
What do you thing ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-ZI_LirSAs


xx Chopin Etude opus 10 #4
March 16, 2007, 04:42:52 AM by pianistimo

this is my best shot at 12:41 pm



xx chopin etude op 10 #2
February 14, 2007, 03:47:35 AM by pianistimo

ok.  here's my first take.  this isn't friday yet.  and, one problem i have is that i don't have it memorized - so on the page turns - i have to turn the page.  i looked around to see if i had copies of it - and i don't. well, anyways - i can play fast when i want to.


xx Preperation for Chopin Etude Op.10 No.4
December 29, 2006, 10:41:36 PM by qoppa

Hey all
I'd really like to play Chopin's Etude No.4, Op.10, but it currently would be rather difficult, and is more of a dream.  I'm looking for some pieces to build up the technique required in the piece, so that it will be easier when I do finally decide to give it a go.  Also, any pieces that sound reminiscent of it would be nice.  An idea of where I'm at now: I'm currently working on the Pathétique sonata, Lieder ohne Worte Op.19 No.3, and Rach's Moment Musicaux No.3.

Thanks


xx two chopin etudes and a nocturne
October 26, 2006, 01:31:40 AM by le_poete_mourant

Here's a couple cuts from a live session last month.  Ingle Auditorium.  Baldwin Concert Grand.  My modest attempt at these wonderful pieces of music: Etude Op. 10 No. 4 and Op. 25 No. 6; Nocturne Op. 9 No. 1 in B-flat minor.    Hope you like. 


xx Chopin etude op.10 no.4
October 12, 2006, 12:16:25 AM by humblemonkey

I put a question about this in my "19yr old beginner..." post, but I thought I'd put up a separate post.

I have played through the whole of the etude am having trouble with the technique involved in measures 2-3 in the right hand, measures 6-7 in the left, and all others like it.

What kind of movement should I be looking for? my fingering (in the right hand) for the first (of the troubling measures) is 1-3-2-5 and for the second, 1-2-5-3. is this purely a finger movement, or is the wrist the main actor in executing these pieces? 

Cheers
Humblemonkey


xx Chopin Etude #4 Op. 10
May 19, 2006, 08:43:24 PM by dickreuter

Spent some more time on it. I don't think I can do much better than that for the moment. But I'd still welcome some conceptual advice.

Next step is recording it on a real piano.

many thanks
Nicolas


xx Chopin - Etude #4 Op. 10
April 23, 2006, 03:30:37 PM by dickreuter

Should be better now. Any comments are appreciated.


xx Chopin - Etude #4 Op. 10
April 12, 2006, 12:21:19 AM by dickreuter

I play this Chopin Etude on an electro piano. As I intend to record a CD in 6-12 months or so (and I know there's still plenty of work to do) I would welcome any constructive comments on how I can improve my playing.

many thanks in advance
Nicolas


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