A practice bottleneck...

[casparma]

I really dont know the reason why...


I am practicing only my right and left hand seperately..

and each of them takes only like about ten minutes to practice all the measures on one page....

but when it comes to play with both hands, it takes me like one hour, and even though, I am still not playing very fluently as I wish.


Any idea on this??

thx alot

[bernhard]

Hands together is 37 times nore difficult than hands separate .

Have a look here :

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,1651.msg14344.html#msg14344
(How to gain hand independence – dropping notes)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2802.msg24467.html#msg24467
(When to join hands)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3039.msg26525.html#msg26525
(how big are your hands, and does it matter?  7 x 20 minutes – exercise/activities to strengthen the playing apparatus – ways to deal with wide chords – the myth that Richter was self-taught – 3 stages of learning – Example: Chopin militaire Polonaise - scientific principles for testing practice methods – Example: Prelude in F#m from WTC1 – when to join hands and why HS – practice is improvement – the principle of “easy” – Example: Chopin’s ballade no. 4 – repeated groups)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3085.msg27140.html#msg27140
(Hands together: when and how – dropping notes)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4123.msg37829.html#msg37829
(How to investigate the best movement pattern: Example Scarlatti sonata K70 – How to work out the best fingering. Example: CPE Bach Allegro in A – Slow x slow motion practice – HS x HT – practising for only 5 – 10 minutes)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3085.msg44855.html#msg44855
(Hands together – dropping notes – when to learn HT and when to learn HS)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2998.msg26268.html#msg26268
(Scales HT, why? – why and when to practise scales HS and HT – Pragmatical  x logical way of teaching – analogy with aikido – list of piano techniques – DVORAK – realistic x sports martial arts – technique and how to acquire it by solving technical problems – Hanon and why it should be avoided - Lemmings)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2106.msg17587.html#msg17587
(developing both hands equally – repertory - why the LH is generally weaker – website for left handed pianos)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4144.msg40259.html#msg40259
(improving speed of LH – move the whole LH not only fingers)

https://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,7682.msg77042.html#msg77042
(hand independence: how to create a cue system and what is hand memory).


Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[casparma]

woo... cool man 

btw, how do you know it's 37 times more difficult??

[sonatainfsharp]

I never let my students play more than a specific spot hands alone---it's like learning the piece three times. Also, fingering should always be decided hands together because co-ordination makes a huge difference. I once fingered a piece entirely one hand at a time; once I put hands together, I had to re-do everything.

[casparma]

sonantainfsharp, do you mean you start practicing ahead with both hands?? instead of hands seperated???

again to Bernhard, why 37 times harder?? how?

[xvimbi]

sonantainfsharp, do you mean you start practicing ahead with both hands?? instead of hands seperated???

again to Bernhard, why 37 times harder?? how?

One of the big lessons of being on the Internet is to not take things too literally

Personally, I believe, it's about 38 times more difficult, but it depends on what I had for dinner

[casparma]

Another problem I encounter is,

say I practice half a piece very fluently, then start practicing the other half solely.

When the other half practiced to my satisfied level, I now connect the two halves.

However, usually, I find that I start to play wrong notes on the 1st half.



Why does the practiced 2nd half degenerate my understanding of the 1st half of a music piece??


any help?

[casparma]

Any one?

please help me

if the question in my previous post is not clear, do tell me.



thx alot

[abell88]

Why does the practiced 2nd half degenerate my understanding of the 1st half of a music piece??

How much time passes between the time you finish learning the 1st half and finish learning the 2nd half? While you are learning the 2nd half, are you maintaining the 1st half?

[bernhard]

Overlap.

Instead of breaking your piece into part 1 (say, bars 1 - 20) and part 2 (say, bars 21 - 40), break your piece in 3 parts like so: part 1 - bars 1 - 20; part 2 - bars 10 - 30; part 3 bars 20 - 40.

As you can see, part 2 creates an overlap between parts 1 and 3.

You can break it down in more parts if need be, just make sure the overlap is extensive.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[casparma]

thanks Bernhard!!!

[bernhard]

You are welcome