Mozart Fantasy in D Minor

[guitarwolf]

I have a few questions about the fingering. In the beginning do all of you play it by crossing under the thumb for the right hand? As for the 1st big scale on the 2nd page 3rd line how do you guys finger scales like these?I am fingering it like fur elise when you come down with the right hand before resuming the main melody. That is mainly using my thumb and 3rd finger and the 2nd finger after F and C. Is this ok or are there set ways to finger each scale, I am asking because my sheet music does not have the fingering marked. I will probably have a few more questions as I get farther, like for the bigger scales. Until then thnx for any help.

[shas]

I prusume you meen the first "Presto". I fortunatly do have fingering which is as follows:

A C Bf A G F E D Cs E A C Bf A G F E D Cs E A C...
2 4 3  2 1 3 2 1  2  4 1  4 3  2 1 3 2 1  2  4 1 4...

Then it's fairly ovious when you run up from bottom A but I think you just crose your hands over for each arpedgiated C dim chord ending with your left hand at the top.
as  far as the other Cedenzas go i haven't worked on them at all but they look simular and seem to just be the most ovious oprion (ie clostest fingering to the scale thet it's over)
hope this is some use to you

[guitarwolf]

It helps but just how important is the fingering when it says to do it a certain way? Is is always the best how the music says to do it? Is it wrong to finger it your own way?

[guitarwolf]

Also is it ok to do some scales with 2 hands like when you have to climb back up in the same measure I use the left then right crossing them over, its much easier this way.

[shas]

yeh I think on the way back up the dim scale your spose to cros your hands over that's what I do.
You don't have to follow the fingering exactlly. It genraly varies from player to player  and the given fingering is just a guide line. However for this run down (except for prehas some minor details) I personly cauldn't think of an easyer way but by all meens try differnt things.
One point thogh, I have fournd with things like this that the sujested way to do things can seem harder at first but once you master it it maks it all a lot easyer and a lot tighter and genrally more precise. However the main thing is to stick to one way of dooing it and play it that way untill it becoms automatic.

[guitarwolf]

Yes it does and thank you alot for the info. Only 1 other question. Is that what the 3 means in the beginning of the song? To cross over with the 3rd finger? Is that how most scales like this are done?

[shas]

sory I'm not shur what 3 you meen.
ther is a 3 at the begining of the piece which is over the first triplets. they should be puting two 3's per bar for the first9 bars but they don't bother. you just got to figur it out for yourself that there triplets, but it doesn't have anything to do with the kedenza (or however you spell it). Anyway it's the fingering on my piece that says you have to cross your hands over.cos if you tried it with one hand and follow the fingering it would be inposible.

[guitarwolf]

Ya I guess its the triplets 3, what does that mean? I thought it meant 3rd finger on those notes so thats how I was playing it. By starting with your 3rd finger where the triplet is you end up crossing over with the right hand. Sorry if I dont know all the signs, do you happen to know any websites that explain all the signs on sheet music for piano? It would really help out alot.

[shas]

When it comes to things like triplets editors are lazy and don't bother to put all of it in. I dealy you  put a bracket round the notes and place a 3 (or in some cases other numberslik 6,7,9 or whatever)
What it meens that the notes which are triplets have a different lengeth.
You can fit three quwaver triplets in the same time as two normal quwavers.
If you look at the time signatur it's 4/4 (for the fantazia) so if all the notes where just normal quavers there would be to many to fit in that bar but they can because there triplets.
Sos it's a bit late and I'm not explaining very well but I hope you understand. I'm afraid that I don't know of any sites for music theory but you can get hold of that stuff for pritty cheap in any music shop.
So any way, No the 3 has nothing to do with fingering in this case and is onlly relevent to the groups of three notes for the first 9 bars which just meen each three have taken the place of where there would normally be two. Anyway have fun

[guitarwolf]

WOw that helps, so basically you dont cross over at all for the intro? How do you do it for the right hand?

[shas]

I don't figur,
left hand plays bottem staff and right plays top

[guitarwolf]

I mean only for the right hand in the intro, do you cross over your middle finger or thumb or do you just do the stretch?

[shas]

Streach

[Phantasmagoria]

the intro is pretty easy, I dont see how crossing is need, the strech isnt that much, no more then an octave in either hand.  the hardest part I have with those piece is those few measures at presto tempo with 16th and 32nd notes... what grade 6/7 people can play it nice and clean at that speed?