Beethoven's three Kurfursten Sonatas and Chopin's three new etudes

[contrapunctus]

Why aren't the Kurfursten Sonatas not grouped together with the rest of Beethoven's Sonatas? I am listening to MIDIs of them right now and they sound superb. Are they not included just because they don't have opus numbers? They really are great, better than some of the other sonatas. Why aren't they mainstream with the rest of his sonatas.

Chopin composed his three new etudes after op 10 and 25. The same question above applies here. The only reason why I can see that they are not mainstream (no Chopin etudes recordings I have seen record them) is that they are generally easier and shorter than the others but they are just as good.

Man, the Kurfusten Sonatas are really great, I think I am addicted. They have a lot of Classical influence not much romantic. Were they composed in his early periods?
Are there any other sonats like them that are not mainstream?

[Nordlys]

The Kurfursten sonatas are one of those WoO (work without opusnumber) and that probably means they were not published in Beethovens life time. Maybe they were not considered good enough by Beethoven himself? Seems they were composed 1882-83, that is when Beethoven was only 12 years old! I have never heard these sonatas, would be interesting to hear. If you like them you should learn them! and then you have a really interesting work by Beethoven in your program which almost nobody has heard before.

There are many other WoO from Beethoven, among other the Bagatelles I think, which are quite good music.

[pooguy77]

Yes, some of the Kurfursten sonatas are great, particurlary the F-minor. However, I think they are more considered as Sonatinas, like Op. 49 becuase they are more simplier and less complex than the other sonatas. This does not mean their not decent works, but they are in a category of their own compared to the others.

[jas]

I suppose Chopin's nouvelles etudes are kind of separated from the rest because he wrote them for some kind of method Moscheles was putting together, not for himself to have published. Berezovsky's recording has them on it. He plays them beautifully. The A-flat one is my favourite. So simple, but gorgeous.

Jas

[contrapunctus]

What does Kurfursten mean? Mozart wrote some Kurfursten sonatas to, but I think they were for cello and piano.

[dmk]

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Chopin composed his three new etudes after op 10 and 25. The same question above applies here. The only reason why I can see that they are not mainstream (no Chopin etudes recordings I have seen record them) is that they are generally easier and shorter than the others but they are just as good.

try Lortie's set of Chopin Etudes they have the 3 Nouvelle Etudes

good luck

dmk