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Offline PaulNaud

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a SLIGHT raising of fingers
on: November 11, 2005, 03:50:41 AM
  " In the central nervous system, reciprocal relations exist between flexors (bending muscles) and extensors (staightening muscles). The intense excitation of flexors will call forth intense inhibition of extensors, and vice versa. Since the inhibitory process is weaker than the process of excitation, a slight raising of fingers (intense excitation of extensors) before their descent into the keys appears to be a valuable means for strengthening weak inhibition of flexors. The tendency to rush, to accelerate passages is observed mostly among students who are not used to raising their fingers while practicing. Now we see one more reason for requirement of raising fingers in slow practicing. "     George Kochevitsky

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Re: a SLIGHT raising of fingers
Reply #1 on: November 11, 2005, 04:28:27 AM
Key word - SLIGHT

and do it right

Sharp finger staccato helps too 8)
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Re: a SLIGHT raising of fingers
Reply #2 on: November 11, 2005, 06:30:42 AM
  " In the central nervous system, reciprocal relations exist between flexors (bending muscles) and extensors (staightening muscles). The intense excitation of flexors will call forth intense inhibition of extensors, and vice versa. Since the inhibitory process is weaker than the process of excitation, a slight raising of fingers (intense excitation of extensors) before their descent into the keys appears to be a valuable means for strengthening weak inhibition of flexors. The tendency to rush, to accelerate passages is observed mostly among students who are not used to raising their fingers while practicing. Now we see one more reason for requirement of raising fingers in slow practicing. "     George Kochevitsky

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This is another example of a passage written complete out of musical context, which defeats the whole idea of piano playing. As I have emphasised many times here, the whole mechanism of technical approach is strictly menthal, rather than physical. To clarify this, the music image DICTATES certain technical execution, not the other way around. However, once this image put into pianistical motion, this motion helps to "keep on track" in case of menthal blank-out.

If for some reason the music tells you for some special effect you have to raise your fingers, by all means do it. However, raising fingers as a method taken out of musical context or certain musical idea in my opinion is a dead end.

On the other hand, yes, with my students I make excercises for finger lifting. However, the whole idea is completely different. I will talk about it later, as I have very limited time at the moment. Also, I saw your message in another thread. Will get back as soon as I have some spare.

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Re: a SLIGHT raising of fingers
Reply #3 on: November 11, 2005, 08:01:11 AM
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On the other hand, yes, with my students I make excercises for finger lifting. However, the whole idea is completely different. I will talk about it later, as I have very limited time at the moment. Also, I saw your message in another thread. Will get back as soon as I have some spare

I'm quite interested myself.
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Re: a SLIGHT raising of fingers
Reply #4 on: November 11, 2005, 08:41:55 AM
Is'nt it amazing haw we make thing complex. I gess pressing one key down with the tip of an umbrela will make the same sound as with pressing a key down with you finger tips, so i gess music making starts when we think about the relation of two or three notes to each other. Raising or not raising the finger from time to time may make a difference.
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Re: a SLIGHT raising of fingers
Reply #5 on: November 11, 2005, 03:35:42 PM
   The tendency to rush, to accelerate passages is observed mostly among students who are not used to raising their fingers while practicing.

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hmmm.. i favor the raising of fingers as read in my reply to your other topic.

come to think of it, rubinstein had lots of rushing and i believe his technique did not involve finger raising at all. everything was the done with the correct use of weight. he treated weight almost scientifically like the french did (cortot and his students/followers).


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Re: a SLIGHT raising of fingers
Reply #6 on: November 11, 2005, 04:31:53 PM
Raising your fingers and not raising them will result in different sound and gesture. Learn to do both and to apply when necessary.

And that famous quote about pressing the key with an umbrella or your finger tip is laughable. Sound production has a lot more involved than pressing a single key. Is is a combination of sound balance, pedaling, phrasing, articulation and attack.

Better yet is Rubinsteins quote about young pianists not having the slightest notion of pedaling or tone production.
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