Stockhausen Klavierstück X

[ryguillian]

Why does Stockhausen's Klavierstück X require the performer to wear fingerless gloves?

—Ryan

[thalbergmad]

God only knows.

[ahinton]

God only knows.

Then why not ask God? (I assume that He's not a subscriber to this forum, but...). Or, again, maybe there's some information on this on the website (Stockhausen's, that is - I'm not aware that God has one - and, by the way, "for the avoidance of doubt" [as the lawyers say], God and Stockhausen are two different entities...)

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Well put Alistair, but do you know why the gloves are required?

[musik_man]

Then why not ask God? (I assume that He's not a subscriber to this forum, but...). Or, again, maybe there's some information on this on the website (Stockhausen's, that is - I'm not aware that God has one - and, by the way, "for the avoidance of doubt" [as the lawyers say], God and Stockhausen are two different entities...)

Best,

Alistair

So you try to chew out Thalbergmad for not answering the original post, yet you do not answer it either.   

Googled it.  It says that they are for high speed black note glissandi.

[ahinton]

So you try to chew out Thalbergmad for not answering the original post, yet you do not answer it either.   

Did I? I hadn't noticed. As to answering the post myself, I have endeavoured to point the enquirer in a direction where this and much other Sotckhausen-related information mau be found - which is not quite the same as refusing to answer it at all. In fact, the only difference of approach between my "answer" and "Thalbergmad"'s is in the suggestion that it might be more advantageous to approach the composer via his website rather than depend upon God for the required information. You may note that I responded in similar manner to a recent thread about a work by Clarence Barlow - a thread in which almost no one else has even appeared to go near trying to answer the original question.

Best,

Alistair

[m]

Did I? I hadn't noticed. As to answering the post myself, I have endeavoured to point the enquirer in a direction where this and much other Sotckhausen-related information mau be found - which is not quite the same as refusing to answer it at all. In fact, the only difference of approach between my "answer" and "Thalbergmad"'s is in the suggestion that it might be more advantageous to approach the composer via his website rather than depend upon God for the required information. You may note that I responded in similar manner to a recent thread about a work by Clarence Barlow - a thread in which almost no one else has even appeared to go near trying to answer the original question.

Best,

Alistair

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!

This one is even better than the first answer .

Priceless!!!! 

Googled it.  It says that they are for high speed black note glissandi.

Explain...

[musik_man]

I'm assuming that doing all those glissandi would bruise or cut up an ungloved hand.

[ryguillian]

Alistair,

I enjoy your responses—and know how much you love off-topic responses—, but sometimes I wish you'd write more clearly. It often takes me a few minutes and a good deal of eyebrow arching to decypher what you write. It's clear that you write with a lot of passion, but the meaning can be obfuscated. You might try reading George Orwell's essay "Politics and the English Language".

https://eserver.org/langs/politics-english-language.txt

—Ryan

[thalbergmad]

Alistair,

I enjoy your responses—and know how much you love off-topic responses—, but sometimes I wish you'd write more clearly. It often takes me a few minutes and a good deal of eyebrow arching to decypher what you write. It's clear that you write with a lot of passion, but the meaning can be obfuscated. You might try reading George Orwell's essay "Politics and the English Language".

https://eserver.org/langs/politics-english-language.txt

—Ryan

You do realise his response is likely to be worse/better than ever.

[bernhard]

Alistair,

I enjoy your responses—and know how much you love off-topic responses—, but sometimes I wish you'd write more clearly. It often takes me a few minutes and a good deal of eyebrow arching to decypher what you write. It's clear that you write with a lot of passion, but the meaning can be obfuscated. You might try reading George Orwell's essay "Politics and the English Language".

https://eserver.org/langs/politics-english-language.txt

—Ryan

Do you really think so?

I just went back and reread his posts and I thought they were perfectly understandable, in a very elegant and readable prose style (I am serious, I am not being sarcastic).

Anyway, good site.

Best wishes
Bernhard.

[bernhard]

You do realise his response is likely to be worse/better than ever.

 

(I am looking forward to it)

[thalbergmad]

Do you really think so?

I just went back and reread his posts and I thought they were perfectly understandable, in a very elegant and readable prose style (I am serious, I am not being sarcastic).

Anyway, good site.

Best wishes
Bernhard.

I thought yours was going to be longer

[pianistimo]

maybe a fur coat,too?  like glen gould.  he wore both.

[ahinton]

Alistair,

I enjoy your responses—and know how much you love off-topic responses—, but sometimes I wish you'd write more clearly. It often takes me a few minutes and a good deal of eyebrow arching to decypher what you write. It's clear that you write with a lot of passion, but the meaning can be obfuscated. You might try reading George Orwell's essay "Politics and the English Language".

https://eserver.org/langs/politics-english-language.txt

—Ryan
I apologise in advance for disappointing (if indeed I do so - and I fear that I may) those who, subsequent to your message here, have sought to suggest the my (next) response may be "better or worse" than the last, but all I ask of you is to clarify for me what specific meaning may have struck you as obfuscated in my previous response.

To return to the topic concerned (and, believe me, my intention is not steer matters off-topic in these threads when I endeavour to make a useful contribution), I have tried to suggest that some of the enquiries made here could possibly be answered by a little search of the available internet sources on the subject matter under discussion. The internet will most certainly not "save us all" as the now rather overworn cliché has it, but it may yet save some users from a certain degree of unnecesary - or perhaps ill-directed - questioning.

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

You do realise his response is likely to be worse/better than ever.

OK - so you've had the better response - now here's the worse one (or is it the other way around? - I leave it for each individual reader to decide, or not bother to decide, either way):

Why not check out
https://fboffard.free.fr/StockFlashA.html
 - Florent Boffard's somewhat personal and fanciful but nonethelss informative take on this piece.

Best,

Alistair

[ryguillian]

Alistair,

Your general verbosity makes it time consuming and difficult to read what you write and I catch myself saying, "Huh?" after reading what you've written. You obviously write very quickly (which can be indicated by the number of typos you make); you should take the time to clarify what you write: what could be written in fifteen words you write in fifty. I really urge you to write the essay!

—Ryan

P.S. There's a difference between criticizing somebody's work (writing, in this case) and criticizing the quality of the person behind that work; I consider you a person of high quality and I hope my comments don't suggest otherwise. In fact, what you have to say (the meaning) is really valuable; hopefully your syntactic choices don't obscure your meaning.

[ahinton]

Alistair,

Your general verbosity makes it time consuming and difficult to read what you write and I catch myself saying, "Huh?" after reading what you've written. You obviously write very quickly (which can be indicated by the number of typos you make); you should take the time to clarify what you write: what could be written in fifteen words you write in fifty. I really urge you to write the essay!

—Ryan

P.S. There's a difference between criticizing somebody's work (writing, in this case) and criticizing the quality of the person behind that work; I consider you a person of high quality and I hope my comments don't suggest otherwise. In fact, what you have to say (the meaning) is really valuable; hopefully your syntactic choices don't obscure your meaning.

According to my Word count, I used 57 words in my last in which the principal thrust of my meaning was to draw your attention (and that of anyone else interested) to a specific URL where some useful information may be found; I would hardly have thought that this was difficult to understand but, if it was, I apologise for that and for the fact that I did not spellcheck what I wrote before posting it - for which explanation I have probably now once again used rather more words than you would have liked.

However, you did not reveal whether you had indeed checked the site I recommended and whether you found it to be useful; this would surely have been more interesting and constructive than merely discussing the nature of the content which I posted...

I hasten to assure you that no offence has been taken by your comments, however and I appreciate what you wrote in that context.

Best,

Alistair

[ryguillian]

However, you did not reveal whether you had indeed checked the site I recommended and whether you found it to be useful; this would surely have been more interesting and constructive than merely discussing the nature of the content which I posted.

I did check the site (it's the site where I actually found out about the gloves in the first place): it was clearly translated from French which led to some really uncomfortable phrases, tut the samples were appreciated. I don't understand how wearing gloves could produce different sounds.

—Ryan

[stevie]

hahahahaha, intellect

[ahinton]

I did check the site (it's the site where I actually found out about the gloves in the first place): it was clearly translated from French which led to some really uncomfortable phrases, tut the samples were appreciated. I don't understand how wearing gloves could produce different sounds.

—Ryan

But have you also checked the Stockhausen site?
www.stockhausen.org
As well as containing comprehensive information, it invites enquirers to submit questions by email to
stockhausen-verlag@stockhausen.org

Best,

Alistair