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Offline g_s_223

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Scriabin Op.8 No.12 in D# minor question
on: November 13, 2005, 12:06:45 PM
Ok, fairly simple question about this celebrated piece. You can check out the score at https://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/single_listing.cfm?composer_id=11 by clicking the relevant entry.

So, looking at the bass part, there are several times where very high notes occur, typically A# or B which would be around the middle of the treble staff if notated there. The question is, should these notes be played by the LH, or should they be taken by the RH which is well placed to do so?

Is the latter solution a "sensible" thing to do, or is it "a cop-out"? I can see the arguments for dividing wide-span arpeggios between the hands, but equally there's a beauty in the challenge of taking the LH leaps. If the latter, what LH finger/thumb would you use?

The score above, although fingered, specifically leaves this question open...

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Offline thierry13

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Re: Scriabin Op.8 No.12 in D# minor question
Reply #1 on: November 13, 2005, 05:09:00 PM
They must be hit by left hand.

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Re: Scriabin Op.8 No.12 in D# minor question
Reply #2 on: November 13, 2005, 07:29:07 PM
Ok, fairly simple question about this celebrated piece. You can check out the score at https://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/single_listing.cfm?composer_id=11 by clicking the relevant entry.

So, looking at the bass part, there are several times where very high notes occur, typically A# or B which would be around the middle of the treble staff if notated there. The question is, should these notes be played by the LH, or should they be taken by the RH which is well placed to do so?

Is the latter solution a "sensible" thing to do, or is it "a cop-out"? I can see the arguments for dividing wide-span arpeggios between the hands, but equally there's a beauty in the challenge of taking the LH leaps. If the latter, what LH finger/thumb would you use?

The score above, although fingered, specifically leaves this question open...

 :)

At measures 6 and 14 the LH goes all the way up to D#!  Personally, I use the LH but you could use the RH if you wanted to.  The point is that the music has to sound good.

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Re: Scriabin Op.8 No.12 in D# minor question
Reply #3 on: November 13, 2005, 09:20:06 PM
At measures 6 and 14 the LH goes all the way up to D#!  Personally, I use the LH but you could use the RH if you wanted to.  The point is that the music has to sound good.

It's an etude, so using the left is necessary in practicing, but not in performance 8)
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Re: Scriabin Op.8 No.12 in D# minor question
Reply #4 on: November 14, 2005, 08:43:08 AM
horowitz used the right hand. the great masters never worked on pieces to make it hard for themselves, but on how to make it the simplest and easiest.

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Re: Scriabin Op.8 No.12 in D# minor question
Reply #5 on: November 14, 2005, 08:04:26 PM
I think it'd be foolish to use the left hand as is actually written.
1) Despite the fact that it is an etude, there is no rule that says you aren't allowed to be more efficient when able.
2) making this jump would not only be more inefficent, but more stressful.
3) the note lies in the immediate range of the right hand, making it accessible without changing the sound.

Also, Scriabin was known to be a bit of a nut - I wouldn't take everything he writes too literally (including the final chord requiring a span of a 13th which is written to be played simultaneously).

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Re: Scriabin Op.8 No.12 in D# minor question
Reply #6 on: November 15, 2005, 11:50:38 AM
A score is descriptive not perscriptive. 

Play it in the easiest way possible to achieve the best results in interpretation.  If you look at late Scriabin, you'd be nuts to play exactly as written. 

Personally I play those notes with the RH.  If you notice the RH staff all those high LH notes are exactly the same note as the held note in the RH.  You have to release the hold on the note in the RH anyways to play such notes, so you might as well play them with the same RH finger.  The way it was written is to show as clearly as possible the division of the voices. 
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Re: Scriabin Op.8 No.12 in D# minor question
Reply #7 on: November 17, 2005, 04:27:43 PM
Thanks for all the replies. I've tried it out, and taking the notes with the RH seems fine. I was initially concerned that they would be too quiet if I did this, because of not having enough time to re-strike the key, but if anything the opposite is the case, i.e. I have to avoid re-striking them too hard.

Still a long way off submitting a recording for review though!!!

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