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Offline ThEmUsIcMaNBJ

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Broken String?
on: September 17, 2003, 07:50:01 AM
Hehe I don't know if this has ever happend to anyone but let me tell you what happened today to me.  I think it's pretty cool but we'll see  ;)

So I'm practicing at my church on this nice newer knabe 7 foot grand.  And I was practicing Rachmaninoff Moment Musical #4...  It called for FFF...  And that's from the measure before being at FF...  And I just really felt it today, I felt I could really bring out what was called for.  So I'm playing, totally loving it...  It was if I had a little musical enlightenment if you will...  Then all the sudden I heard this BANG in the totally empty room I was in.  So it interupted my moment!  But I was pretty freaked out so I stood up looked over the piano and saw a string was broken!  At first my reaction was "Dang it!  Now I have to deal with a broken F# for a while!"  then I really thought about it...  "Wow I actually broke a string"...  

Haha I don't know maybe I need to tone it down a bit?  I was just wondering if I was the only freak in here that broke a string on a perfectly good piano before.  Or maybe it's a bad thing, you're not supposed to play that loud I guess  ;D

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Re: Broken String?
Reply #1 on: September 17, 2003, 03:39:01 PM
I was in a businessman's club in Manila recently with my dad and a friend of his, and he asked if it would be ok if I had a go on the piano (Yamaha grand). I started by playing something relaxing: Reflets dans l'eau, but they wanted something a bit more "upbeat". Hence I played the third of Ginastera's Danzas Argentinas, broke a string, and got a large bill! I also broke a hammer on own piano in Manila playing the Appassionata 1st mvt. (that bottom F),
Ed

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Re: Broken String?
Reply #2 on: September 20, 2003, 05:00:44 AM
Breaking stringsis pretty cool, I have to admit.  If you have gone as far as breaking hammers, then you are just beating the hell out of it, that is abuse.  I don't care wht kind of piano you have, that is just too far.  Beaking hammers is nothing to be proud of.
Pianists are like firecrackers, they blow up sooner or later.

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Re: Broken String?
Reply #3 on: September 20, 2003, 07:56:11 AM
Anyone get so passionate as to break the frame or legs?  One time, I just couldnt help myself, I just bent the pedals and cracked the whole piano frame in half... But seriously though, Ive only broken one string, my high G, but I dont ever remember doing it.  One day it just sounded like crap.  
c,d,e,f, *beernt*, a,b,c   wha...?!
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Re: Broken String?
Reply #4 on: September 20, 2003, 04:03:32 PM
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If you have gone as far as breaking hammers, then you are just beating the hell out of it, that is abuse.  I don't care wht kind of piano you have, that is just too far.  Beaking hammers is nothing to be proud of.


Beethoven broke hammers all the time,
Ed

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Re: Broken String?
Reply #5 on: September 20, 2003, 08:07:07 PM
Yeah, but pianos in Beethoven's time were much lighter, and strings got broken quite often anyway.
I broke a string twice, once playing Bartok's Allegro Barbaro (I think it was the top c at the end with the octaves) and another time playing a Mozart sonata for four hands  :D   I guess it was already nearly broken, because I'm not really a 'hitter' at all...
I never broke a hammer, that's a pretty impressive achievement  ;D
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Reply #6 on: September 20, 2003, 08:19:16 PM
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I don't care wht kind of piano you have, that is just too far.  Beaking hammers is nothing to be proud of.


I realise that Beethoven's pianos were not quite the modern grand, but Bosendorfer_214 doesn't care what piano it is on... ;)
Ed

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Reply #7 on: September 20, 2003, 11:15:13 PM
I said what kind of piano (you) as in Ed.  If you are as an accomplished pianist as you seem to be you probably aren't practising on a straight strung 1831 John Broadwood & Sons.
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Reply #8 on: September 20, 2003, 11:38:44 PM
And talking of Bosendorfer, not _214 but the piano, it is said that this make of piano was the only one that could stand up to
Franz Liszt's early demonic virtuosic displays.
Robert.  

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Reply #9 on: September 21, 2003, 01:04:43 AM
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I said what kind of piano (you) as in Ed.  If you are as an accomplished pianist as you seem to be you probably aren't practising on a straight strung 1831 John Broadwood & Sons.


Have you ever heard of period performance? I was playing Beethoven after all!
Ed

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Reply #10 on: September 21, 2003, 01:42:44 AM
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I also broke a hammer on own piano in Manila playing the Appassionata 1st mvt. (that bottom F),
Ed


Wait, now you broke the hammer in a period performance? In order to have a period performance, you need a period instrument. Earlier you said that you broke a hammer on your own piano, and according to your earlier post in another subject entitled: "Whats your piano make?," you stated that you have a Yamaha and a Kawai you never mentioned your period instrument?
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Re: Broken String?
Reply #11 on: September 21, 2003, 02:04:44 AM
I don't have the instrument anymore, I broke all the hammers  :P,
Ed

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Reply #12 on: September 21, 2003, 03:38:58 AM
Right.
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Re: Broken String?
Reply #13 on: September 21, 2003, 06:14:27 AM
In my many years of playing piano, I have broken only one string, thankfully.  When it occurs, we always remember what we were playing.  In my case I broke the lowest E on my Baldwin Model L (6'3") playing Schumann's Novellette No. 1 in F.  Many technicians theorize that a broken string likely had an original flaw embedded into it.  For example, when the piano wire was being drawn, a tiny nick or impurity might have been present causing an inherent weak spot.  (Rust forming on strings in a humid climate can cause problems over time too.)  Given normal wear and tear plus the exact right circumstances, the string finally breaks.  So it's rather mundane really.  Similarly, it's generally believed that a string with a false beat in it has a built-in flaw in the wire as well.  Anyway, once it pops you have the annoyance of waiting for the replacement string from the piano company, enduring the tuning instability while it stretches properly between the tuning and hitch pins (unless like me you have your own tuning hammer handy), and hoping all the while that once it finally settles, it'll sufficiently match its neighboring strings in tone quality.  In my mind breaking a string proves absolutely nothing about the performer and is, in fact, a most unwelcome event!  If the string broke, it was ready to break, plain and simple.
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Reply #14 on: September 21, 2003, 08:10:21 AM
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In my many years of playing piano, I have broken only one string, thankfully.  When it occurs, we always remember what we were playing.  In my case I broke the lowest E on my Baldwin Model L (6'3") playing Schumann's Novellette No. 1 in F.  Many technicians theorize that a broken string likely had an original flaw embedded into it.  For example, when the piano wire was being drawn, a tiny nick or impurity might have been present causing an inherent weak spot.  (Rust forming on strings in a humid climate can cause problems over time too.)  Given normal wear and tear plus the exact right circumstances, the string finally breaks.  So it's rather mundane really.  Similarly, it's generally believed that a string with a false beat in it has a built-in flaw in the wire as well.  Anyway, once it pops you have the annoyance of waiting for the replacement string from the piano company, enduring the tuning instability while it stretches properly between the tuning and hitch pins (unless like me you have your own tuning hammer handy), and hoping all the while that once it finally settles, it'll sufficiently match it neighboring strings in tone quality.  In my mind breaking a string proves absolutely nothing about the performer and is, in fact, a most unwelcome event!  If the string broke, it was ready to break, plain and simple.


AHHHH....  Haha you should have said, "Breaking a string proves you are a top notch Pianist!"  hehe...

But seriously at first I thought it was really cool...  Now two days later, I think I'm going to kill myself playing with a nasty hum everytime you play an F# is not fun.  And my church is going to pay for it  ::) but that means I have to wait for them to get someone out to fix it, which who knows how long that will be  >:(

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Re: Broken String?
Reply #15 on: October 17, 2003, 08:04:09 PM
I broke a string just now playing an 'fff' chromatic cluster in Rautavaara's 2nd piano sonata. It won't be fixed 'till Wednesday  :(,
Ed

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Re: Broken String?
Reply #16 on: October 18, 2003, 03:41:47 AM
eddie, you certainly explore off-beat contemporary repertoire (which is good).  I never even heard of that composer!
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Reply #17 on: October 18, 2003, 04:57:06 PM
He is Finnish, and Ashkenazy commissioned his 3rd Piano Concerto,
Ed

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Reply #18 on: October 20, 2003, 04:27:50 AM
Thanks for the update.  Don't laugh, but my repertoire focus is mostly from about 1820 to 1950.  When I was studying and needed to be a "well-rounded student" to get through annual auditions, I played the minimal modern repertoire required (the same with Baroque and Viennese Classics), but never took much joy in it.  So contemporary is a segment of the repertoire where I'm not very knowledgeable, quite frankly. My real interest has always been in the Romantics, Impressionists, and Neo-Romantics.  It's good that you're getting more deeply into contemporary music though.
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Reply #19 on: October 20, 2003, 03:56:14 PM
I don't really know that much modern stuff - I'm just trying to explore some different types of music,
Ed
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