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« on: December 09, 2005, 11:28:50 PM »

Ok i hope this works, the etude is playd twice once from the middle and the second time from the begining to the end.

  ( Please avoid listining to this Etude its dreadfull , thanks )

* Chapter 4.mp3 (6800 KB - downloaded 215 times.)
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2005, 07:30:24 PM »

There's a buzz on there that makes listening to your playing difficult... also, sounds like the mic is a bit hot.

I'm sure your playing is better than this recording equipment can capture. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2005, 07:38:31 PM »

There's a buzz on there that makes listening to your playing difficult... also, sounds like the mic is a bit hot.


          I cant notice any buzz,so i gess it just me playing the piano badly,o well. What do you mean by the mic is hot i used a camcorda.Anyway thanks for telling me.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2005, 08:02:04 PM »

Yes you are right jih, it sounds like the engin of an airplane,not much i can do.hehe.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2005, 10:21:02 PM »

Yeah thanks guy for pointing out the mathamatical errors i have made with this etude, am having to color those bars with my green pen to remind not to repeat that mistake.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2005, 12:37:38 AM »

maybe its got to do with the acoustics? Perhaps instead of a flat you could record in a hall


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The last recording i did was Etude in A Flat. It would have sounded better in A Hall though.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2005, 01:29:10 AM »

There's a buzz on there that makes listening to your playing difficult... also, sounds like the mic is a bit hot.

I agree. However, besides that (and I'm not saying I can play it correctly) could it be a little faster? There are some wrong notes, but I think you know that already. Another thing I noticed was (and this could be the recording equipment again) that in some places you emphasize the melody a little aggressively.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2005, 01:55:27 AM »

Hi zheer,

I have to agree, the recording is so echo-y it's hard to tell whether you are playing something a certain way, or it's the recording. 

I have played this etude (By the way, I think despite its reputation as one of the easier ones, it is still VERY difficult to pull off.)  I think you have the right idea, and I don't think you need to speed it up.  In fact you may be rushing a few spots.

 I can't tell if you are playing all the notes in the arpeggio accompaniments--be sure to try and play those all as evenly as you can. 

It is so hard to get the phrasing, with most of the melody carried by the poor little pinky!  You may want to practice the melody line without the arpeggios to get the feel of the phrasing, then incorporate the accompaniment, all the while really listening to your melody.  I always had difficulty controlling the loudness of the bass notes, due to the big leaps--some would turn out louder than others, and I hear the same in your playing.  Just more practice for better control.  And those inner counter-melodies must be more subtle--whispering to us rather than being proclaimed. 

Keep up the good work!  This is a very challenging piece.  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2005, 07:40:26 AM »

Hi Zheer,

This study is such a nice piece, but very difficult to play. I play this one since a few years but still it's hard to get it right.

First thing is really to learn it well. I heared lots of wrong chords on the wrong moments.

You play some measures longer than they should be: 5 quarters instead of 4 in the 1st, 4th and 9th measure).

At some places the bass note comes much earlier than the melody note.

If performing, concentrate on the melody, make sure it's right. The inner notes are less important. Take your time to hit the high notes.

Follow carefully what's written. Don't play forte where it says pp. And follow the phrasing of the melody by the arches. The arches start at the last quarter of the preceding measure.

The inner voice in measures 17-20 is beatiful, but a bit too loud. Make it a bit more subtle counter-voice.

I agree with Theresa that this etude is more difficult than its 'easy' reputation. Well, I've learned about 7 chopin studies, but this one's the hardest to get it just like how I want it to be.  There are several chords that are extremely difficult to play at that speed. It should be played in such a subtle way despite all the big leaps.

Keep practising each chord and measure, with a metronome untill it goes fluently. Good thing to study without the pedal to hear if left and right hand are even.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2005, 07:57:45 AM »


You play some measures longer than they should be: 5 quarters instead of 4 in the 1st, 4th and 9th measure).

     
     Thank you so much for your educated comments guys, am going to learn a lot from those comments.
 
             Yes Lava you spoted the serious mathematical error, my face turnd from its normall color to bright red from embarrassment when i heard that error.

           Am going start working on improving this Etude with those thoughts in mind.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2005, 08:33:52 AM »

Hi Zheer,

This study is such a nice piece, but very difficult to play. I play this one since a few years but still it's hard to get it right.

First thing is really to learn it well. I heared lots of wrong chords on the wrong moments.

You play some measures longer than they should be: 5 quarters instead of 4 in the 1st, 4th and 9th measure).

At some places the bass note comes much earlier than the melody note.

If performing, concentrate on the melody, make sure it's right. The inner notes are less important. Take your time to hit the high notes.

Follow carefully what's written. Don't play forte where it says pp. And follow the phrasing of the melody by the arches. The arches start at the last quarter of the preceding measure.

The inner voice in measures 17-20 is beatiful, but a bit too loud. Make it a bit more subtle counter-voice.

I agree with Theresa that this etude is more difficult than its 'easy' reputation. Well, I've learned about 7 chopin studies, but this one's the hardest to get it just like how I want it to be.  There are several chords that are extremely difficult to play at that speed. It should be played in such a subtle way despite all the big leaps.

Keep practising each chord and measure, with a metronome untill it goes fluently. Good thing to study without the pedal to hear if left and right hand are even.

I agree... however, some of the dynamic errors may in fact be more related to the gain on the mic being too hot, ,and not so much the way they were played.  I don't know, but a more accurate recording would be necessary for a more accurate criticism.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2005, 11:42:56 AM »

.  I don't know, but a more accurate recording would be necessary for a more accurate criticism.

  Thanks for your constructive criticism jih.
I have no problem with playing wrong notes, and it never bothers me when other people play wrong notes. However i do play what is not written and that is ridiculous.
This is why i choose to use different color pens to color the bars when i do that.Its an educational process a little like a piano lesson.

   As for the recording method i only know haw to use a hand held camcorda for sound. In the future i may mic up my piano.
 
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2005, 12:43:06 PM »


 However i do play what is not written and that is ridiculous.

Hey, have you ever considered becoming a composer?   Grin

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2005, 04:30:01 PM »

Hey, have you ever considered becoming a composer?   Grin

Teresa

   Ok so i was reckless, but not that reckless.
When i was a child i would compose, and pretend that i was Beethoven, like a character actor. So anyway i composed something oneday, gave it to my secondary school teacher and he gave me 97%. I love Beethoven.
     Anyway thanks for making fun ov me.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2005, 12:15:54 AM »

zheer,

I hope you don't think I was making fun OF you.  I was joking WITH you.  All in good humor.  Maybe you should seriously be a composer!

All the best, Teresa
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2005, 08:43:12 AM »

zheer,

 Maybe you should seriously be a composer!

All the best, Teresa

     Its hard enough playing the piano well , infact its a life long project. Ok am not fishing for complements but why do you keep on saying that?
 Am tempted to post some other recording to change your mind about me composing.
 
I knew someone who was a composer, he gave music theory lessons, anyway he said a composers life is good when they are dead.
 All the best.
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2005, 12:35:57 PM »

Dear zheer,

Rest assured, your playing is very good, and you should definitely keep it up.  I said that about composing because you said you sometimes played what was not written,  and then you mentioned your teacher gave you a good grade on your composition. 

I was absolutely NOT criticizing your playing by suggesting you compose!  Please forgive me, perhaps my original attempt at humor was poor.

Teresa
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