Hardest piece for handindepence?

[sevencircles]

What´s the hardest piece you have seen when it comes to handindepence?

Some of Ligeti´s etudes comes to mind but it may be a fugue of some sort.

[etudes]

dont know the hardest
but some f scriabin with 5 against 3 should be problem for me
and the part in ondine of gaspar also

but please no fantasie impromtu 

[sevencircles]

but some f scriabin with 5 against 3 should be problem for me

what piece?

[phil13]

I agree, some of Scriabin's etudes are tough in that way. But, even though I'll never play it, I'd have to say Nancarrow's Tango. 3 staves in 3 different time signatures (I think it's 2/4, 3/4, and 5/8) Ouch.

Phil

[sevencircles]

I realised the handindependence factor when I tried to transcribe and play https://www.unheardbeethoven.org/search/search.pl?piece=woo62gp1.mid

Check out the fugato part between 5.30-6.00

Amazing and a lot harder to transcribe and play then I thought

[burstroman]

Ives' Concord Sonata has some tricky rhythms too.

[pita bread]

Ligeti - Desordre
Godowsky-Chopin - 10/2 Ignus
Scriabin - Op. 42 #6

[sevencircles]

Ligeti - Desordre
Godowsky-Chopin - 10/2 Ignus

These works are extremely hard from every technical standpoint.

I have a hard time finding the video of Libetta playing "Ignus".

I still have a hard time believing how anyone can play that live.

[musicsdarkangel]

I have actually found Scarbo to be pretty difficult in terms of hand independance.


Some of the running arpeggios, repeated notes against arpeggios, etc can be tough to make smooth.

[sevencircles]

I have actually found Scarbo to be pretty difficult in terms of hand independance.


Some of the running arpeggios, repeated notes against arpeggios, etc can be tough to make smooth.

Without any doubt.

A correct pedaltechnique is very important too.

The second movement of Gaspard is the hardest in musical respects.

In 9 cases of 10 it sounds boring compared to the first one.

[I Love Xenakis]

Nyman "The Piano Concerto"
Xenakis "Herma"- Musique Symbolique

[ahinton]

Nyman "The Piano Concerto"
Xenakis "Herma"- Musique Symbolique

I have to hand it to anyone with the courage and imagination to cite these two works side by side in the same paragraph...(!)

Best,

Alistair

[pianalex]

ironic, i hope

[sevencircles]

I found a video of Libetta playing Ignis Fatus yesterday.

I actually found him a bit sloppy.

[nanabush]

Prokofiev toccata, maybe?  I don't play, im just guessing it is difficult for hand independance...