chopin etude op. 10/1

[crazy for ivan moravec]

my korean friend just sat on the piano.. tried out my bad upright... one take. comments please...

[zheer]

Good tempo, is he 17 years old, he sounds a lot like someone else on the pianosociety. A little boring as far as music goes, but if you want to showoff then great.

[chromatickler]

much too sl*w compared to DA RAZTA

[crazy for ivan moravec]

he's 20 years old. actually, he says that he's working on purely technique right now. he wants to make sure that he'll be ready for any musical demands of his teacher when the time comes to have a lesson with it.

[e60m5]

Ehhh... personally, if that's his 10/1 when geared fully to technique, I'm not impressed.

[crazy for ivan moravec]

yeah, he's working on it.

i still bow down to your islamey.

[Siberian Husky]

my mexican self just listened to this but had to turn it down because my white friend was playing video games next to me..sounds alot like a chinese pianist from my school..hes in my class, we share a polish instructor this quarter and i sit next to a black man and an afghan student who attened the piano class last quarter with a white teacher...

[rohansahai]

my mexican self just listened to this but had to turn it down because my white friend was playing video games next to me..sounds alot like a chinese pianist from my school..hes in my class, we share a polish instructor this quarter and i sit next to a black man and an afghan student who attened the piano class last quarter with a white teacher...

The art of expressing yourself with such subtlety and disguise !
....take a cue from it, ivan !

[gonzalo]

he's 20 years old. actually, he says that he's working on purely technique right now. he wants to make sure that he'll be ready for any musical demands of his teacher when the time comes to have a lesson with it.

Now I know why it is musically booooorrrriiiinnnnggg....

[tosca1]

This is an excellent tempo which does not demean the majesty and grandeur of the bass line in this most difficult of Chopin Etudes. Technically, the performance is glittering and brilliant.  Dynamic contrast is difficult to achieve in this piece because of the speed and power needed for its execution. However, more differentiation in the dynamic range from mezzo piano to fortissimo and in the diminuendi and crescendi  would make a more compelling performance. Keep up the wonderful work!

Robert.

[crazy for ivan moravec]

in behalf of my friend, thank you.

he doesn't know i posted it, hehehe.

[goansongo]

Some of you are too over-critical.  Maybe you guys should keep in mind that not everyone is aiming to be a professional pianist.  Like gonzalo's comment...  Honestly, does that really help the person out?  If you're going to criticize, do it the right way and give advice on how to improve. 

[gonzalo]

Some of you are too over-critical.  Maybe you guys should keep in mind that not everyone is aiming to be a professional pianist.  Like gonzalo's comment...  Honestly, does that really help the person out?  If you're going to criticize, do it the right way and give advice on how to improve. 

I read that he was working on only technique , and I imagined he must be doing some kind of technical exercises that aren't music  ( Hanon, Czerny, etc). If he wants to be ready for MUSICAL demands he should be practicing MUSIC.
That thing of saying : " I work on only technique at the moment" is the same that Hanon says in his introduction to his book and it makes no sense.

[crazy for ivan moravec]

I read that he was working on only technique , and I imagined he must be doing some kind of technical exercises that aren't music  ( Hanon, Czerny, etc). If he wants to be ready for MUSICAL demands he should be practicing MUSIC.
That thing of saying : " I work on only technique at the moment" is the same that Hanon says in his introduction to his book and it makes no sense.

hmm, maybe what u said might make sense if we gave him about 2 weeks. the thing is, he worked on it (from scratch) for only about a week before randomly recording it on my upright that day. he listened to tons of recordings before grabbing the score though, that's his study method. really gifted ears...

i heard him just recently, and it's wonderful and musical already. not the greatest but it's good stuff.  i'll try to record him next time.

MUSIC comes when you want it to happen, when technique is ready to execute it, and especially when you've already come up with the concept for a piece. it was probably his decision not to make it musical at all. you can have MUSIC if you have the technique AND the "perfect" sound/image/concept of a piece of music in your head and maybe he hadn't decided yet on how he wanted it to sound.

just a thought...
why do we hear such unmusical executions of Czerny etudes? because of the terrible mistake of people thinking that there is no music in those pieces and so they decide to play it unmusically. i believe there is a LOT of music in those etudes. it's not as much as the chopin etudes i guess, but it's more than enough to prove one's musicality, and to make your listeners happy as well. the octaves can make good encores ONLY if a pianist is ultra musical.

[zheer]

hmm, maybe what u said might make sense if we gave him about 2 weeks. the thing is, he worked on it (from scratch) for only about a week before randomly recording it on my upright that day.

In that case it should take him 6 months to learn all the chopin Etudes from scratch to performance standard, thus making him one of the truly great pianists of our time, who happens to like to post music on pianostreet .com and post photo ov himself eating ice cream and enter non international piano competitions. Hmmmmmmm i is doubt that. If that was the case he would be with lang lang at carnagi Hall.
 

[gonzalo]

MUSIC comes when you want it to happen, when technique is ready to execute it, and especially when you've already come up with the concept for a piece. it was probably his decision not to make it musical at all. you can have MUSIC if you have the technique AND the "perfect" sound/image/concept of a piece of music in your head and maybe he hadn't decided yet on how he wanted it to sound.

But if you play more pieces than unmusical exercises you will do better when it comes to put the musical IDEA into music.

[lostinidlewonder]

The LH has to sound like Bells, drawing right through, it was not so effective in this recording, not enough passion, variation there. I like how he accents the very top notes of his RH this is something people often neglect, the RH doesn't have any obvious technical flawls (an inaccurate note here or there but over all very good) so he has cracked the RH pretty well which most people have impossible trouble with. Tempo wise I don't think more speed is important, this is a nice tempo imo, the affinity with the LH needs work.

[crazy for ivan moravec]

In that case it should take him 6 months to learn all the chopin Etudes from scratch to performance standard, thus making him one of the truly great pianists of our time, who happens to like to post music on pianostreet .com and post photo ov himself eating ice cream and enter non international piano competitions. Hmmmmmmm i is doubt that. If that was the case he would be with lang lang at carnagi Hall.
 

yeah, i think he should be with lang2x in carnegie. his ears are great, can pick up anything right away. but yes, his playing IMO needs refinement. he can play most of the first movement of schumann without ever having the score with him.

i feel that what you're trying to say is that it was my recording that i posted... well excuse me, i don't have enough technique and motivation to study that etude, really.  and non-international competitions are all i can do for now because i know im not ready for anything international. in fact, i want to admit to you that i doubt my playing. so, no, that recording is not mine. i know i cannot do that etude justice for the next 5 years.

or maybe you were being sarcastic? sorry, some language barrier here.. i don't get the expression of your writing very well. 

as for the ice cream, it was one of those experiences when my joy of eating that stuff is like heaven for me... something i call a part of life, and a musical life at that! so yes, it was a musical experience for me which i will eventually incorporate in my playing.

 

[crazy for ivan moravec]

But if you play more pieces than unmusical exercises you will do better when it comes to put the musical IDEA into music.

yeah, i know you're right and i agree with that. 

but it was probably my friend's decision. knowing his general playing, that guy's really musical.

[crazy for ivan moravec]

The LH has to sound like Bells, drawing right through, it was not so effective in this recording, not enough passion, variation there. I like how he accents the very top notes of his RH this is something people often neglect, the RH doesn't have any obvious technical flawls (an inaccurate note here or there but over all very good) so he has cracked the RH pretty well which most people have impossible trouble with. Tempo wise I don't think more speed is important, this is a nice tempo imo, the affinity with the LH needs work.

i agree on the LH. i just hope that it was my bad upright which caused it not to ring big. thanks.

[zheer]

maybe you were being sarcastic? sorry, some language barrier here.. i don't get the expression of your writing very well. 

 

 O i see i didnt know you were asian. Anyway what i was trying to say was that i doubt he learnt this etude from scratch and got it to tempo in one week. Its not impossible, liszt sight read through it at tempo the first time. Judging by the ballad in gminor  he/you poted i doubt he is Langx2, a very gifted pianist yes, but not lang lang.

[paris]

my korean friend just sat on the piano.. tried out my bad upright...

that's exactly how it sounded- like he was trying out the piano. i didn't like it despite his very desirable (to me) tempo. he could do with clarity, and more dinamic stuff, there was too much pedal, i believe in aim to hide wrong notes..besides it just sounds ''weak''.
and don't tell me he was working purely on technique, because if he did, there wouldn't be so many wrong notes, and there'd be much more contrasts. well, for dinamic stuff actually i can't say, because it may be equipment matter, but like i said, it doesn't sounds ''grand''

[steve jones]

Its possibly an engineering issue. Great performance is only one element of a great recording.

[rimv2]

my korean friend just sat on the piano.. tried out my bad upright... one take. comments please...

This sounds strangely similar to a recording ah made in a jazz practice room at school. Was this made on a kawaii upright? What recording software did you use?

What's that metal sounding click in the background?

[crazy for ivan moravec]

it was on a really bad upright Earl Windsor. that sound is from the pedal, hehe. i used Adobe Audition 1.0.

[holysentiment]

terrible..