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Offline chsmike2345

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Shine
on: August 20, 2003, 04:33:47 AM
What do you all think about the piano quotes from shine like "Learn the notes first, then forget them" and "It must come from the soul"? I think they're marvelous...
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Offline la_carrenio2003

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Re: Shine
Reply #1 on: August 20, 2003, 05:13:46 AM
I find them cool,too,and I think that it's true what they express.I like that movie a lot, either.
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Offline eddie92099

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Re: Shine
Reply #2 on: August 20, 2003, 08:30:34 AM
It's a great movie - especially as I know the Royal College of Music so well (I had choir where he had his lesson!),
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Re: Shine
Reply #3 on: September 10, 2003, 03:20:13 PM
Shine is a great movie...but seeing David Helfgott live in concert is even better. its just mezmerizing watching his hands play so beautifully...

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Re: Shine
Reply #4 on: September 10, 2003, 04:00:50 PM
Helfgott is a mediocre pianist at best,
Ed
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Re: Shine
Reply #5 on: September 10, 2003, 05:28:19 PM
why would you say that about helfgott?? are you talking before sickness, after, or in general?
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Re: Shine
Reply #6 on: September 10, 2003, 05:42:20 PM
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why would you say that about helfgott?? are you talking before sickness, after, or in general?



 I'm sure he was a marvelous pianist before his malady, but now...well...eddie was actually kind in his assessment.  A real shame.
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Re: Shine
Reply #7 on: September 10, 2003, 05:55:26 PM
ya im not sure.  never heard him recently.  the rach 3 recording he made there was a lot of mistakes:( and he doesnt stay quiet.
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Re: Shine
Reply #8 on: September 11, 2003, 05:36:54 PM
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why would you say that about helfgott?? are you talking before sickness, after, or in general?



Sorry, but Eddie got it right. He showed much promise, but did not live up to it, most likely due to his illness. I feel sad about his illness, but the unseemly manner in which he was trotted out in front of audiences in the '90s was more reminiscent of a circus act than a classical music concert.
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Re: Shine
Reply #9 on: October 05, 2003, 10:03:17 AM
If Helfgott wasn't suffering from his illness, do you think he'd be as well-known as he is today?  I know someone who had worked with him personally....
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Re: Shine
Reply #10 on: October 05, 2003, 11:52:22 AM
ahh... i regret i didn't watch the movie! i'm so bad. it was shown on a channel and i thought it was all junk.

is shine the story of david helfgott? or is it that david helffgot starred in the movie shine?? which is which?

really, eddie?? you had choir in the same room where david had classes?? that is sooo cool!!!

oh yes back to topic. those quotes are cool! i think they're true.  after you learn the notes, you just let your hands play for you..

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Re: Shine
Reply #11 on: October 05, 2003, 01:51:49 PM
If Helfgott wasn't suffering from his illness, do you think he'd be as well-known as he is today?

Definitely not.

is shine the story of david helfgott? or is it that david helffgot starred in the movie shine?? which is which?

It is the story of David Helfgott.

really, eddie?? you had choir in the same room where david had classes?? that is sooo cool!!!

Thanks!

Ed

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Re: Shine
Reply #12 on: October 05, 2003, 05:47:11 PM
I agree with many of you, regarding the quotes and regarding his playing, and would like to add another aspect of the film. Apparently an injustice was done to the family in the film. According to the sisters, the father and the home life were portrayed in a manner which were very far from the truth.
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Re: Shine
Reply #13 on: October 05, 2003, 07:47:57 PM
bah. i never watched it, and i never will.

the quotes sound cool, but that's all there is to it.

Helfgott's performance (was it of the flight of the bumblebee?) was crap. period.

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Offline eddie92099

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Re: Shine
Reply #14 on: October 05, 2003, 07:59:25 PM
It was actually a very good film,
Ed
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Re: Shine
Reply #15 on: October 06, 2003, 12:30:10 PM
yes, i think it was nice too. how's the movie, THE PIANIST?? has anybody here watched it?
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Re: Shine
Reply #16 on: October 06, 2003, 05:42:11 PM
I tend to agree with Meiting. The quotes are nice, but that's all. They are the usual nonsense you hear a lot, but never seems to have helped any musician play better. "Music must come from the soul" - OK, care to tell me how to do that?

I've seen clips of the film, but not the whole thing. Since Ed thinks it's  good, and we agree on everything else ;) , I may as well check it out.

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Re: Shine
Reply #17 on: October 06, 2003, 07:52:02 PM
Well, it was good the first time. The Pianist is good but don't go into it thinking it is a film about the piano,
Ed
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Re: Shine
Reply #18 on: October 07, 2003, 12:27:42 PM
yes, i've heard. the pianist is about war... anyway, i'd like to see the performing. do you think he was playing the nocturne a bit fast or with a lot of force??
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Re: Shine
Reply #19 on: October 08, 2003, 01:36:25 AM
There was something very strange happening on the trills! The first ballade was good though,
Ed
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Re: Shine
Reply #20 on: October 25, 2003, 06:06:15 AM
About Shine and the quotes... thos quotes are nice but i agree they are useless.
But what about the other things the teacher said?
"Performing is dangerous, dont make a mistake its dangerous..."
"Tame the piano or it will swallow you whole"
"Dont you love those big FAT chords??!"

How ridiculous!
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Re: Shine
Reply #21 on: October 30, 2003, 11:29:27 PM
Of course... Helfgott is pretty bad... although I never heard him before his illness. On the other hand, the pianist portrayed on THE PIANIST movie. Plays expetionally well Chopin. Oh man! polish I guess....
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Re: Shine
Reply #22 on: October 31, 2003, 12:48:50 AM
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Wladyslaw Szpilman's recordings are not used in "The Pianist",
Ed
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Re: Shine
Reply #23 on: November 03, 2003, 10:11:42 PM
I know. I said the pianist portrayed. Not the music on the movie. In the soundtrack there is one track played by him. Or, you can download him of the internet.

Listen to his nocturnes...
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Re: Shine
Reply #24 on: November 05, 2003, 01:14:36 AM
Sorry, I misunderstood  :),
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Re: Shine
Reply #25 on: November 13, 2003, 04:44:42 PM
You 'misunderestimated' his knowledge of music.
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Re: Shine
Reply #26 on: November 13, 2003, 08:42:39 PM
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You 'misunderestimated' his knowledge of music.


Mr Bush, is that you?!
Ed  ;)
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