Hmmm......

[lisztisforkids]

I find that the music of older composers such as Bach and Vivaldi are centered outward of a person contray to self centerd music of romantic composers. What I am trying to say is.. Do you think that music such as Bach is more Logical? In tune with nature and the universe? Outward more than inward? And the music say of Chopin is more Inward?
More emotional? Colorful?

[pianistimo]

i think chopin's music plays on the emotions more.  is that what you mean?  if you listen to vivaldi - you think he's happy.  you listen to chopin - you hear pathos - semi depression - manic high - a sort of searching and never finding.  i think the very old composers were satisfied with life.  i think towards the modern age we are searching and looking for more.  it's hard to just choose to be happy.  although, with everything chopin went through, i don't blame him - and his music definately set the standard for virtuoso piano music (besides liszt).  i think he brought the idea of a sort of operatic performance on piano - with the 'tenor voice' that always seems to come out in the melodies.  and, a melding of poetry into music - meaning (whether written or implied) in the notes.  i don't think many of the older composers did much more than joke with meanings - but chopin wrote 'letters' with his compositions.  he took time to speak of intimate feelings, heart rending situations, wonderful bliss, extraordinary lows, a tumultuous age. 

[pianorama]

i think chopin's music plays on the emotions more.  is that what you mean?  if you listen to vivaldi - you think he's happy.  you listen to chopin - you hear pathos - semi depression - manic high - a sort of searching and never finding.  i think the very old composers were satisfied with life.  i think towards the modern age we are searching and looking for more.  it's hard to just choose to be happy.  although, with everything chopin went through, i don't blame him - and his music definately set the standard for virtuoso piano music (besides liszt).  i think he brought the idea of a sort of operatic performance on piano - with the 'tenor voice' that always seems to come out in the melodies.  and, a melding of poetry into music - meaning (whether written or implied) in the notes.  i don't think many of the older composers did much more than joke with meanings - but chopin wrote 'letters' with his compositions.  he took time to speak of intimate feelings, heart rending situations, wonderful bliss, extraordinary lows, a tumultuous age. 

Well said.

I find that the music of older composers such as Bach and Vivaldi are centered outward of a person contray to self centerd music of romantic composers. What I am trying to say is.. Do you think that music such as Bach is more Logical? In tune with nature and the universe? Outward more than inward? And the music say of Chopin is more Inward?
More emotional? Colorful?

Most older classical composers, I think didn't express emotions as often as romantic composers, especially Chopin. Yes, classical composers do express emotion too, but usually happier feelings. When they are melodramatic they usually used it in only a section of a piece, while Chopin and most other romantic composers can explore a single emotion and go into great detail and compose an entire song about it. I think classic composers usually try to portray an anecdote or some experience they've had in their life. sometimes they are slightly suggestive (no, not that kind of suggestive) and try to tell you that you'll have a great time if you just do something good, whether it's for your health, a person, or just something new or different, something interesting to breath new air into your life.
Long answer short, yes.

[Tash]

the baroque composers were into conveying the 'affections' rather than their own personal emotions. like in suites, according to johann mattheson and others, each movement was meant to express a different feeling, eg. he says in his 'the complete musical director' 'The aim is contentment and pleasantness in a bouree, liveliness in a rondeau, vacillation and instability in a passepied, ardor and passion in a gigue, exulting or unrestrained joy in a gavottte, temperate diversion in a minuet, etc...'

so i interpreted that more as an attempt to create an overall feeling rather than it being a personal expression of the composer's thought. it was important to represent the text in vocal music, and even the slightest little movements, textures, etc. are all used to support this representation. however in romantic music i think this wasn't as important, and at least in piano music it was more into virtuosic display or creating beauty, etc.