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Author Topic: The Grand Thread of Debussy Preludes  (Read 14487 times)
invictus
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« on: January 20, 2006, 12:36:49 PM »

Ok, after using about 130 pages of paper printing book 1 and 2 of preludes by Debussy (did that in school , hehe), 24 preludes in total.
I was just wondering, can anyone sort them out in order of difficulty from easiest to hardest. ALL of them

Thanks
And any hints, techniques and so on for some individual preludes is also appreciated
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2006, 02:12:54 PM »

Hi there,
will not attempt a classification as I believe this depends on the performer.

depends what you mean by difficulty...creating difficult contrasts, colours?? difficult technique?

none of the preludes are difficult technically in the sense of Liszt or Chopin etudes.

There are two pieces that require advanced technique: Ce qua vu le vent d'Ouest and Feux d'Artifice.
Generally in terms of technique, emphasis is on trills and combined arpeggios rather than single hand scales or arpeggios. Moderate octave technique. Occasional glissandos. Rhythm is a major issue and can get complex. It can help to sing the piece or learn it in your head before actually sitting down on the piano.

This apparent ease can be misleading, as IMO preludes like "Canope" are extremely difficult, as you have very little time and material to create a very difficult and fragile structure. Thats where the real difficulty lies.

I would actually go and buy the two books as their are staple repertoire and can serve you well musically :-)

Fun thing to do: read an informative book by a Paul Robert called Debussys Piano Music (if my memory serves me well). Also, try to find parallels, progressions, links between the preludes. For example the chord clusters opening the first and last preludes of the second set. Also, Debussy hid a lot of references in his preludes, f. ex. the french national anthem... (those of you familiar with the preludes will know where this crops up). Also important to grasp the comedy element in some preludes.

Still as you ask for a classification, Ill attempt to give you mine without much thought :-) from hardest to easiest (purely in terms of technique, in the traditional sense), As starters I could suggest those in the last bunch, for example, Cheveux de Lin or Bruyeres.

Feux d'Artifice
Ce qu'a vu le Vent d'Ouest

Danse de Puck
Tierces alternees
Brouillards
Ondine
Fees
Vent dans la Plaine
Collines dAnacapri

Terrasse des audiences
Cathedrale Engloutie
Feuilles mortes

Danseuses de Delphes
Les sons et les parfums...
Voiles
Canope
Puerta del Vino
Fille aux Cheveux de Lin
Pickwick
Pas sur la neige
Serenade interrompue
Lavine
Bruyeres
Minstrels

Have fun with these, and I look forward to this thread!

Edouard

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2006, 08:55:07 PM »

Sry, I gotta say Minstrels is further up.... there is no way its easier than bruyers or fille aux cheveux de lin...I havn't playd it, but I've tried it and it is not close to the easiest one.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2006, 04:02:33 AM »

Debussy's preludes are crap.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2006, 04:16:44 AM »

Debussy's preludes are crap.

I don't think so. I find quite a few of them wonderful. I thik the best performance of these pieces are done with great liberty. constant tempo and dynamic changes, with taste though.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2006, 04:23:06 AM »

Debussy's preludes are crap.

The same could be said of you.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2006, 04:23:55 AM »

The same could be said of you.

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2006, 04:28:26 AM »

ouch

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Anyhow, enjoy the preludes.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2006, 02:01:32 PM »

I love the preludes, and have done some of them.  I have played "Minstrels", and tend to agree that it is more difficult.   For me it was definitely harder than "Cathedral," maybe similar to "Collines." 

I had trouble because of the sudden switching from one mood to another, which is the whole idea of the piece, of course.  But the jerkiness, not to mention the awkwardness of some passages--it's tough!  Very entertaining when you finally get it, though.

Teresa
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2006, 02:28:10 PM »

cheveux de whatever and cathedrale something are ok and theres another one i can play a bit of... i only have book one so maybe have to get book two to see what i can play in that!
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2006, 02:39:26 PM »

Perhaps this might help:

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2412.msg21056/topicseen.html#msg21056
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2006, 03:06:59 PM »

I love Debussy's Preludes from a composer's perspective. I've orchestrated two of them so far, "Des pas sur la neige" and "Bruyeres". They're just stunning pieces.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2006, 11:31:19 PM »

Debussy's preludes are crap.

was expecting that  Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2006, 09:10:47 AM »

I am starting on

General Lavine  BK II No 6

Minstrels BK I No 12
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2006, 11:16:44 PM »

Nothing wrong with either of those, but they're fairly similar.  Why don't you try two with more contrast?
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2006, 10:49:33 AM »

I love these preludes, but given the quality of pianos I currently have access to I doubt I could do them justice.  Undecided
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