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liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
on: February 11, 2006, 10:00:34 PM
came today to music school and took room with kawai grand to record those stuff...no warming up, first take, you know, comments, stuff..
thanks for listening me

https://rapidshare.de/files/13057775/anamaria_hungarian_rh.8.mpg.html   hungarian rhapsody fis mol

https://rapidshare.de/files/13057310/anamaria_rachmaninovop.33_es_dur.mpg.html    rachmaninov etude op33 Es dur

https://rapidshare.de/files/13057019/anamaria_bach_p_f_dminor__II_.mpg.html    bach p&f d minor (II)

hope you'll enjoy!

p.s. couldn't find higher chair for camera and couldn't put it on piano cos of vibrations
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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #1 on: February 12, 2006, 12:04:33 PM
Very nice playing, I Also play that Bach p&f, lol you played it well for no warming up :)

Im not a big fan of the No. 8 Rhapsody, can you play no 6 ? im currently learning no 6.

You should have just made audio files instead because i cant see anything, where are the keys lol

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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #2 on: February 12, 2006, 12:19:12 PM
well done.
very good for first take with out any warm up
agree with jamie_liszt that we cant see anything
btw the piece i like most is HR8 which i am not really know it.
after reading score and hear you play ..in was great
i like the brilliant sound at the high register (esp.when the appeggio in sextuplets)
bach is also great i like the tempo that you play..
for me Rach etude is a bit too slow and sometimes is too harsh in tone (or maybe of the camera)
for overall try to add more dynamic and color you have the technique to play them all...and find better place for camera (normally i put at the right side of the keyboard)
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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #3 on: February 12, 2006, 12:42:28 PM
Hi paris, i would comment on your piano playing, but i dont know haw to download, i know you have to click on free. then wait a few seconds. Nothing happens, it just says Browse, or bla bla blab bla.
   Am sure its very good. :)
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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #4 on: February 12, 2006, 01:25:38 PM
came today to music school and took room with kawai grand to record those stuff...no warming up, first take, you know, comments, stuff..
thanks for listening me

 

   Just heard you play Rach, and i think you did it justice, you obviously understand the character of the piece and the emotional content of the piece. Tecknically it sounded like you can play far more difficult pieces, so the listner just ends up appreciating the music when you play this piece. However it might be me but a LH scale passage is missing, maybe it is because it is  under the RH chord passage.
    BTW i like Kawai grand pianos, especially if you play romantic composers on them, but the soft pedal is not great.
    I is going to listen to your Bach, Bach is difficult to play on Kawai. I will let you know.
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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #5 on: February 12, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
  
    I is going to listen to your Bach, Bach is difficult to play on Kawai. I will let you know.
 

   Obviously you have worked very hard on this piece, so its at a very high level. However if i waz to be horrible, i would say in this prelude , the performer has the oportunity to show off His/Her dynamic range and color, but maybe not so easly on a Kawai and a video camcorda.
    Finally the Fuga, almost all pianist play the theem in the same way, with no expression, Play it like a violinst or a singer, the rising triplet gently getting louder and the falling chromatic scale gradually getting quiter. Also you can creat more legato by binding 2 notes together as though the are unseprable ,only on the last momment parting from each other,
In all honesty only your piano teacher can demonstrate that.  All the best
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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #6 on: February 12, 2006, 05:28:55 PM
hi paris!

very good job you did there on the rach etude. you are very musical BUT the quality of the cam doesnt give much justice to your natural musicality. however, let me comment on something i can clearly hear, and something which you might wanna work on. your introduction tempo was a good one but you changed  it after those opening chords... so check that one.

also, try to be rhythmically precise---> what i  mean by this is that you look out for the important beats (crusis, anacrusis, theory stuff, etc.) and give stress due those points... BUT it's not necessarily being metronomic (im not saying ur playing was metronomic either). being rhythmically correct doesn't mean being metronomic, it means you're being even more musical because it's actually basic, just difficult to do though; you can breathe all you want yet still keep the feel of the piece with rhythmic precision coz it doesn't only mean following the correct written rhythm.

try not to have tempo fluctuations as well. i can't say if you were struggling with some passages... but tempo fluctuations usually happen when we struggle with some passages.. they become natural for us to do. i would recommend that you find out for yourself if you are playing those difficult passages LIGHTLY or not. not softer, but lighter. sometimes we play with so much effort for a particular passage and then we forget that we don't need that much effort to put on those notes, and so we struggle and slow down. just remember to spend just the right amount of energy so as to conserve it, and use it when the need comes... but of course, enough energy to make the sound that we want. besides, playing lightly sounds good on rachmaninoff, it's more articulate. you don't want those chords to go brahmsian. pierce those top notes! hehehe  ;D

i hope that helped. don't worry, how you play it now is at a high level already. but like they say, there will always be room for more. :) just being constructive.
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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #7 on: February 12, 2006, 05:33:18 PM
i wanted to comment on the bach but the quality of the file doesn't allow me to do so. am quite particular with the tones in contrapuntal music.
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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #8 on: February 13, 2006, 12:06:18 AM
Great playing first of all.  I know that cameras are sometimes not the best audio recorders, as some of them automatically adjust to volume fluctuations and make everything sound the same volume level.  Some of my comments may be that your camera just didn't pick up all of what you were doing. 


Bach: 
Prelude - you can begin to experiment here more with phrasing and dynamic contrast.  Eg: Bar 13 melodic 8ths with Bar 18 harmonic progression.  The 32nds in Bar 22 and 24 I thought could have been given more shape.  You bring out the rhythmic character of the prelude very well.  Also you can experiment with slurring selected 8th notes for special emphasis (you don't have to stick to the 8th staccato 16th legato rule all the time).  Although this is not necessary, it can give more colour and contrast. 

Fugue: All entries of the fugue theme were clear, good job.  This one is more lyrical than the prelude so don't be afraid to sing and shape phrases.  More ebb and flow, push and pull.  You're also at the point now where you may want to experiment with inserting your own ornamentations within the music.  The fugue has a repeat and repeats are great for adding ornamentation.


Liszt HR 8:
I have to say I enjoyed this very much.  I'm glad to hear someone else play this as my commercial recording of the HR's feels a bit lacking.  Unfortunately my edition does not have bar numbers, so bear with me. 

The intro is very good.  See the 8th - 16th cadence at the end of the bar 1: here and similar I feel that the 8th needs more of the accent to give the feel of a cadence resolution. 

Double bar before Sempre lento malinconico assai:  the trill could be longer as per the fermata and lungo trillo indications.  Also you could take time with the small notes. 

Sempre lento malinconico assai bar 10 in this section: See where you have the grace note, C#, F# then 16th note C# pickup into the next bar.  You could leave some more space to breath between the C# - F# bass cadence and the pickup into the forte. 

Pesante with the bass octave melody:  the bass octaves seem a bit obscured by the RH.  Maybe this is just the recording.

Bar before Allegretto con grazia: possible to hold fermata a bit longer.

Allegretto con grazia: the RH triplets sounded heavy at first, but you corrected this as you went on.  Think "playful". 

In same section when you have 32 note, 32 rest, bar line, quarter to 8th cadence: This sounds awkward.  It's only a 32 rest and it sounds like your giving too much time.  Or it might be that the rest sounds to sudden and out of character with the section.

Bars before Presto giocoso assai: maybe a bit of a rit. on the two chords before to create more of an effect of ending one section and starting another.   

Second repeat ending with cadenza before strepitoso: You could give more time to shape these notes. 

Last chord: you can hold with pedal a bit longer. 




Thanks for posting I enjoyed these very much.  :)
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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #9 on: February 14, 2006, 09:11:16 PM
thank you for kind words and comments  :)

apologizes for recording equimpent which sucks unfortunately heh


Finally the Fuga, almost all pianist play the theem in the same way, with no expression,

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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #10 on: February 14, 2006, 10:39:45 PM
 :D

Wonderful playing, particularly first thing in the morning with no warm up!

I really liked the Rachmaninov, it got a bit unsteady towards the end but you obviously own this piece, you play it very well with appropriate style and dynamics. Excellent!

I liked the Bach also but it seems to me that you aren't quite sure about how to do this yet. I really like your approach, it's not mechanical but it's perfectly accurate. Your phrasing is very lyrical and you have a musician's sense of how this should be, not a pianist's !
 
 There was some rythmic unsteadiness in both the Prelude and the Fugue; at the opening of the Fugue the meter was unclear, it sounded like random notes, not triplets. This happened again at several points in the Fugue, but it's very good playing, the piece just needs to settle in a bit in you.

I think there's a bit too much Rachmaninov in your Bach; just rythmically tighten the bach a little, and it will be fine. It's very expressive Bach playing, Bravo for both !I will listen to the Liszt later on... excellent playing.  :)
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Re: liszt rhapsody, bach p&f and rachmaninov op.33 Es dur
Reply #11 on: February 18, 2006, 03:15:44 PM
thanks arensky, and i'm glad you like it  :)

unfortunately, i had to perform this yesterday on competition, but on thursday got flu, dizziness, and didn't enter the competition..i'm feeling mad, sad, angry, dissappointed..firstly i didn't take part in that competition, but then agreed to do it, learned repertoire, (more-less) worked hard and now it all went to nothing   >:(

i know i didn't waste my time, the good things and improvement hasn't dissappeared, but its kinda sad feeling to know i could made it, and i didn't   ???
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