Little Additions to Pieces

[luda888]

do you think they are good or bad.......

if you dont get what I mean, listen to how Andras Schiff play stuff like Bach.......
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000041PL001001/0/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001/002-0282924-5225633

personally, i dont like it. maybe you could list some examples that will change my mind.

[contrapunctus]

Did you know that Franz Liszt himself dared to add additions and ornamentation to the great Beethoven Himself?! Blasphamous piece of s***.

[mikey6]

Generally ornamention in Bach/baroque composers is accepted.  Brendel even add's to Mozart's concerto's.
There's the story or Liszt 'adding' to Chopin whilst he was listening to the dissaproval ot the pole so He played it for Liszt and Liszt agreed not to mess with Chopin's work

[thalbergmad]

If Bach did it himself, I don't think he would be bothered by others doing it.

[jas]

Did you know that Franz Liszt himself dared to add additions and ornamentation to the great Beethoven Himself?! Blasphamous piece of s***.

He stopped doing that later. It wasn't a big deal then. If it hadn't been for Mendelssohn, for example, Bach's position in musical history might have been quite different, and yet the performance of the St. Matthew Passion he organised would have been seen as sacrilege today. There were bits chopped off and changed everywhere. That was their way of honouring the music that had been written earlier: adapting it to the present.
Obviously, that mindset didn't last very long. By Liszt's maturity he was playing Beethoven as it was written.

I believe that if it was the practice of the time to extemporise ornamentation, and it's what the composer intended for his music, then it's what we should do now. Otherwise the music should be left alone. However, performance practice should probably be taken into account, too. I read somewhere that it was quite common to arpeggiate chords in nineteenth century piano music, whether it was written that way or not. It gets very subjective around Beethoven's time.

Jas

[mikey6]

He stopped doing that later. It wasn't a big deal then. If it hadn't been for Mendelssohn, for example, Bach's position in musical history might have been quite different, and yet the performance of the St. Matthew Passion he organised would have been seen as sacrilege today. There were bits chopped off and changed everywhere. That was their way of honouring the music that had been written earlier: adapting it to the present.

I always though that it was Mendelssohn who 'ressurected' Bach but that wheel of compsoers that Berhnard posted last year confused me.  He was on the top of the circle yet an unkown?

[contrapunctus]

I always though that it was Mendelssohn who 'ressurected' Bach but that wheel of compsoers that Berhnard posted last year confused me.  He was on the top of the circle yet an unkown?

Of course Bach was known through out the late 17/18th centuries. Beethoven, Mozart, etc. played through his fugues and preludes, and partly learned how to compose contrapunctilly from Bach, I think Mendelssohn ressurected Bach to the public eye.

[pianote]

Rosalyn Tureck's additions to Bach are pretty interesting.

[crazy for ivan moravec]

if i'd be more knowledgeable/scholarly, i wouldn't bother adding notes to baroque and romantic music (although it's still a case to case basis with each piece/composer). if you can give a really good reason for those added notes/passages, then why not?

right now, i just can't afford to have this kind of mentality coz i don't know much about the literature. maybe when i'm 50 and have had 3 PhD's, hahahaha.

[jas]

I always though that it was Mendelssohn who 'ressurected' Bach but that wheel of compsoers that Berhnard posted last year confused me.  He was on the top of the circle yet an unkown?

I don't know when this wheel thing was made but I remember being surprised to see him at the top. He certainly wasn't unknown, but his music was seen as great but dated even before he died. During his life he was overlooked in favour of people like Telemann, and when he died the world moved on pretty rapidly. Mendelssohn seems to have been the one to remind everyone of him and his music, and it wasn't until around that time that people really began to appreciate his music for what it is.

I'm not sure about the triangle thing. Maybe it was made by a very perceptive person?

Jas

[mikey6]

That's right, I remember hearing that his music was considered 'old fashioned' even by his sons.  I know he was known more as an organist than a composer during (after?) his lifetime.  But in that case, it's still even more confusing as to why he would be put at the top of a composers list. (the wheel)
"I think Mendelssohn ressurected Bach to the public eye."
perhaps.