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Which of the 24 Etudes is technically the most difficult?

10/1
2 (3.9%)
10/2
5 (9.8%)
10/3
1 (2%)
10/4
1 (2%)
10/5 "black keys"
0 (0%)
10/6
0 (0%)
10/7
1 (2%)
10/8
1 (2%)
10/9
0 (0%)
10/10
1 (2%)
10/11
0 (0%)
10/12 "revolutionary"
1 (2%)
25/1 "aeolian harp"
1 (2%)
25/2
0 (0%)
25/3
0 (0%)
25/4
0 (0%)
25/5
0 (0%)
25/6 "thirds"
17 (33.3%)
25/7
0 (0%)
25/8 "sixths"
3 (5.9%)
25/9 "butterfly"
0 (0%)
25/10 "octave"
1 (2%)
25/11 "winter wind"
14 (27.5%)
25/12 "ocean"
2 (3.9%)

Total Members Voted: 51

Voting closed: March 14, 2006, 11:40:17 AM

Topic: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)  (Read 4673 times)

Offline cloches_de_geneve

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Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
on: March 04, 2006, 11:40:17 AM
After so much discussion on the forum about the comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes, I decided to launch a poll to get an outcome that is based on numerous ratings instead of individual statements or opinions.

In a few days the outcome will be available.

Put in your vote!


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Offline stevie

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #1 on: March 04, 2006, 05:04:52 PM
it all depends upon the speed

if they are all to be performed at chopin's indicated tempo, 25/11 is the hardest

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #2 on: March 04, 2006, 06:03:13 PM
Yes, of course, supposing they are played at the speed indicated by Chopin.
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Offline chopinfan_22

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #3 on: March 04, 2006, 06:43:09 PM
I voted for Winter Wind.  Chopin himself even thought it the most difficult.
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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #4 on: March 04, 2006, 09:59:06 PM
Thirds. I was thinking whether this one or the Winter Wind, but in the end, I think that it would take me longer to master than 25/11.
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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #5 on: March 04, 2006, 11:08:25 PM
There are a handful of Etudes I consider to be more difficult than 25/11.

Offline arensky

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #6 on: March 04, 2006, 11:23:57 PM
This is subjective, it depends on an individual's strengths and weaknesses. I voted for 26/6, "thirds". For me it's the hardest.
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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #7 on: March 05, 2006, 02:32:49 PM
10/7 and 25/8 to me are the hardest
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Offline henrah

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #8 on: March 06, 2006, 06:20:45 AM
Thirds: my fingers just ain't up to it yet
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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #9 on: March 06, 2006, 06:46:09 AM
Thirds: my fingers just ain't up to it yet

For all those of you that think you can't do thirds, take a look at Cortot's edition of the Op. 25.  He provides a matrix of fingerings (probably 12 for each of 3 or 4 significant passages).  One of the fingerings is 32-51 for the opening trill - it was a miracle cure for me.  Maybe worth a look...

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #10 on: March 06, 2006, 07:52:51 AM
Fingering for the 25/6 isn't as important as the correct motion--Bernhard describes it very well in an older post.

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #11 on: March 06, 2006, 08:34:42 AM
Fingering for the 25/6 isn't as important as the correct motion--Bernhard describes it very well in an older post.

This is true, but a good fingering (which, as Cortot suggests, varies for each person) facilitates correct motion.

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #12 on: March 06, 2006, 09:22:52 AM
All Chopin Etudes are easy if you have aquired the technique to do them . The thirds is  not hard if you can do thirds, same with 6ths and octaves. Winterwind is not hard if you have a strong RH.

The hard part is gaining the technique , I spent a week on 3rds etude just doing first and 2nd page, and lots of scales in 3rds and Czerny studies. Then the week later I learnt the rest with no really severe difficulty.

In my opinion the very first is the hardest for me persnonally, I just cannot do it without feeling uncomfortable. My teacher says its one of those peices not everone can play, and hand shape and stuff play a big part

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #13 on: March 06, 2006, 07:58:39 PM
where can i find a Cortot edition with those fingerings for the thirds etude ? Having huge trouble with thirds :(
my finger just seem to mess up and stop...

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #14 on: March 06, 2006, 08:54:11 PM
where can i find a Cortot edition with those fingerings for the thirds etude ? Having huge trouble with thirds :(
my finger just seem to mess up and stop...


I believe it is published by Salabert.  I do not know who the distributor is.  You local music store should be able to get it.

Offline musicsdarkangel

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #15 on: March 07, 2006, 06:46:54 PM
IMO, easily the winterwind


followed by Op 25 no 12 (Ocean) and op 25 no 6 (Thirds)


I'm currently working on the thirds.  It's a blast, but a beast indeed. 

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Re: Comparative difficulty of the Chopin Etudes (Poll)
Reply #16 on: March 09, 2006, 06:29:40 PM
op10/10 is a pig! ;)
 

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