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Offline quaver

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analyzing sonatinas
on: March 09, 2006, 07:16:35 PM
I wondered if anybody knows of a website that is helpful for analyzing sonatinas.  I know the general form but alot of sonatinas do not seem to conform.  Sonatina in C Major op.36 no.20 by Gedike is one that doesn't seem to fit into a regular sonatina form.  Is measure 10 the development and the last four measure is that a coda or A1.  I am into analysing piano music and thought I would start with sonatinas.  Any help in this would be appreciated.

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Re: analyzing sonatinas
Reply #1 on: March 09, 2006, 08:13:21 PM
Could you explain the general form? It would be of great use to me.
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Henrah
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Re: analyzing sonatinas
Reply #2 on: March 09, 2006, 08:49:04 PM
i found a russian site www.collectia.narod.ru/composer/gedike.htm  but still can't find the sonatina.  looking at the sonatina would be helpful to analyze (esp. since the site listed above is all in russian and i can't find my way around).  suppose the entire op. 36 are published elsewhere.  it's just that he's fairly unknown to me and i don't know where to look to find his music.

the only other site i found was prof. david shields (who went to russia in 1989) to save a bunch of music from being lost.  he took a collection to south carolina uni and it is under the shields collection.  but, i can't get in there either.

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Re: analyzing sonatinas
Reply #3 on: March 09, 2006, 11:03:55 PM
Henra re you enquiry as to the general form.  A sonatina may have one, two, or three movements.  The first movement usually has two main themes.  First theme in tonic key.  Second theme in a contrasting key, often the dominant.  Closing theme optional.  Then there is a development section where usually previous themes are presented in new keys.  Finally a recapitulation section which is the restatement of themes.  First theme: tonic key, second theme: tonic key.  The second movement is written in three-part song form.  First theme, second theme, first theme.  The third movement often written in rondo form:  First theme, second theme, first theme, third theme, first theme, coda.
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Re: analyzing sonatinas
Reply #4 on: March 10, 2006, 08:39:58 AM
what is your guess, from looking at gedike's work, of his similarity or differences to sonatina form.  is he a classic romanticist or a romantic classicist?  if there is a lot of chromaticism and it tends to wander into keys that are not closely related and the form is more like a fantasy than a sonatina (but he still calls it one) he's a classic romanticist.  if he keeps the form at least - then, imo, he's a romantic classicist.  from what i've read about gedike, he transcribed some bach works and was very familiar with sonatina form.  interesting to hear what he does with it. 
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