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Offline nolan

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College student with frustration, doubt, etc...
on: March 23, 2006, 09:55:08 PM
Hello,
I hope you don't mind a little rant, but I'm having some issues and hope that someone could give me some advice.

First, some background info: I'm a college freshman majoring in Music Business on Piano. My first experience with piano started in 8th grade when I played around on a keyboard. Nothing serious at all, basically just tried playing by ear.

In 9th grade I took piano lessons for about 6 months. My teacher started me on the Alfred Adult beginners books and I got through the second in the series.

In 10th grade I decided not to continue lessons...basically because I felt my teacher was just assigning pages in the books and not really helping me; I figured it was a waste of money and I could just as easily go through the books on my own. Stopping lessons was probably my first mistake; I should have gone to a different teacher.

So 10th and 11th grade I basically played what I wanted, practicing sporadically.

12th grade comes around and I'm thinking about what I want to do with my life (ha, second mistake waiting so long to start thinking). I knew I wanted to do something with music. So I picked a college and found out audition dates, requirements, etc...I had 7-8 months to prepare two pieces in contrasting styles. I had been playing Rachmaninoff's Prelude in B Minor since the previous summer (still needed to memorize, brush up) and had been practicing at school, when one of the music teacher heard me. She asked who I'd been taking lessons with and when I replied, she offered to give me lessons. So I worked with her for the next few months on the Prelude and I picked one of Bach's Two-Part Inventions to learn. Over that time, she also helped me with Major scales, something I hadn't really done. Audition time came around and I was accepted to the college of my choice.

Fast forward to college...definitely a different atmosphere, being surrounded by people who have been playing since they were 5. I have a half an hour lesson every week and we attend master class once a week. First semester I worked on a slow movement from a Beethoven Sonata, another Bach Invention, Debussy's "Sunken Cathedral," and one of Chopin's "Three New Etudes." Technique-wise, I worked on all major scales once more and white-key minor scales. For the end-of-semester exams I played the Beethoven and Chopin from memory.

So here I am in the second semester, working on another movement of Beethoven, another Invention, and some Tchaikovsky.

How I feel about this? Where should I start...

I have absolutely no interest in learning any of the music I am playing for piano lessons other than the fact that I have to learn them. The pieces I am playing were picked by my teacher. My lessons consist entirely of classical music. I do like some classical music. Rachmaninoff and Liszt are my favorites and of course there are other pieces by many other composers I enjoy.

If you took away college and gave me a piano, the music I most enjoy playing is pop and broadway musical. I could sit for hours playing this type of music and would be enjoying every minute of it. But put me back in college and I am told that in order to earn this degree I must play classical music.

What do I want to do with my life? I'm not sure, but I would love to play in musical pits or play piano or keyboard for modern bands. I also have an interest in music publishing...it would be cool to work for a big publisher like Hal Leonard and arrange or layout the sheet music they publish. I am developing skills in transcription that I would love to utilize.

So I am sitting here wondering why I am unhappy about college. I knew that my lessons would be classical. I don't have a problem with it, only that I like specific things. On a more personal note, I really enjoy playing piano. I have been battling depression since middle school and have found piano to be one of the few things that have helped. I am a very reserved person with basically a few close friends. I have social anxiety which sometimes makes it very hard for me to function. Piano and music revolve around my life and without them there probably wouldn't be much worth living for. That is why I take it so personally.

Thank you for taking the time to read through some of this. I am just at a loss of what to do. There are very few people which I would feel comfortable discussing this with but I don't know how else to assess the situation.

Offline nedgerhart

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Re: College student with frustration, doubt, etc...
Reply #1 on: March 23, 2006, 11:19:51 PM
I faced a similar situation almost 30 years ago. Get a music degree or go into some other area (like accounting).  I got the music degree.  I had a great college experience with it, and my chops were very together by the end of it (still very together I might add...) My plan was to become a high school or jr high music teacher. I picked that, because though I knew I could play well, there were many others who could play very, very well lined up ahead of me for steady perfomance gigs. It would be tough to make a living, drive a car, have a wife, family, mortgage with only that sort of income, and I knew I wanted a more normal life. So, the idea of teaching in the schools sounded ideal.  I got the degree and the teaching certificate,  and went to work doing it for a couple of years. Hated it. It turned out to be nothing like I imagined. So I gave teaching, since it was only making me depressed and pushing me towards alchohoism.  My story gets more tangled at that point, and I will spare you the details. Here is what I think you should remember:

Music is a great hobby and a lousy career. I have played in dozens of groups over the years. The more I depended on music for money, the less I have enjoyed it. It gets to be a racket, and I know lots of professional musicians who get awfully tired of the constant self-promotion that is required. Very few indeed have amazing glamourous careers that lead to millions. For most, it is often a grind - playing bad music for bad pay.

While you are still young and flexible, don't let the coolness and the fun of music blind you to other things you could be interested in, if you only knew about them. There are vast fields of interesting work in the world that people never imagine because the whole topic is just too arcane. So, take diverse classes, and use them as windows on new worlds you might want to step into somehow. Personally, I found software....it has some fascinating aspects to it, and after developing some skills with it, I get to live in a nice house, drive a nice car, etc, and I have lots of time evenings and weekends for music.

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Offline lilypiano

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Re: College student with frustration, doubt, etc...
Reply #2 on: March 23, 2006, 11:50:27 PM
From what I've read on this board, some people really love having a career in music.  It's not a racket if you're good at what you do!  If people like listening to you or learning from you, i think it would be worthwhile.   

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Re: College student with frustration, doubt, etc...
Reply #3 on: March 24, 2006, 01:09:26 AM
From what I've read on this board, some people really love having a career in music.  It's not a racket if you're good at what you do!  If people like listening to you or learning from you, i think it would be worthwhile.   

Sure it can be worthwhile! I mostly wanted to point out that it just ain't necessarily easy or consistantly satisfying, especially if you have other life goals, such as raising a family, owning a house, etc.

Hey nolan, did it sound like your dad hired me to write this? And I forgot to mention, if you're depressed, see your doctor and get prozac.

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Re: College student with frustration, doubt, etc...
Reply #4 on: March 24, 2006, 01:27:26 AM
Hi Nolan,

Thank you for sharing yourself with us :).  It seems to me like the real issue is how to unlock your love for the piano (again).  You know you love it, but you are feeling a little binded by the shackles of the Music curricula.  Something like that anyway ;).

My immediate hunch is that, as you explained, you worked alone for most of your piano life.  During the time you acquired your teacher who helped to prepare you for University, you still picked out what you were working on.  Plus, you knew it would only be a short while working with her.  Because of these things, you did not feel trapped by her.

Facing regular University, on the other hand, with all of these "rules" to learning, between theory and arual skills and structured repertoire... the piano experience you had grown to know and love for most of your piano life no longer exists.  So, who are you ?

The good news is that it sounds like you have a hunch about who you are and what you like.  The other good news is that they do have programs within schools and Universities designed for those who love pop and broadway musicals and desire this as their musical/artistic focus.  I don't know much about music publishing, nor do I know much about playing in musical pits and modern bands.  However, I am not so certain you need a degree for any of that stuff.   The only catch would be if you are talking about musical pits where knowledge in classical music would be necessary.  In that case, you will want to stick it out getting that degree.

In other news... he he... I personally think that having a knowledge of Classical music, and a knowledge of music theory, are good foundations for anywhere else one would want to go musically.  Mainly because there are, in fact, common practices and patterns within music.  Knowing what these are gives a person the power to discern when tradition is being followed and when it's not (and in exactly what ways), and the awareness to use this as one pleases --instead of merely feeling one's way around in the dark.

As a side note, having a career in music/piano can be a truly beautiful thing (just like any profession).  However, also with any other profession, there are pros and "cons".  It just depends on what kinds of things motivate you in life... what kind of hopes and dreams you have.  If your dream is to drive around in mega-fancy cars and own three mansions, well, I suppose those would need to be a person's priority in life (and there are quicker and more assured ways of getting there than a music career offers). 

I have dreams like owning a huge collection of music scores, books, and recordings (that I collect over many years)... and helping people find the inspiration to follow their own musical path.  I have dreams about helping people to understand music.  And, I have dreams of playing the piano beautifully for other people.  Those types of things are my own first priorities when I think about having a life that is meaningful to me.  And this does not necessarily negate other things of practicality, like a house, a car, and a spouse (and even a pet... he he). 


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Re: College student with frustration, doubt, etc...
Reply #5 on: March 24, 2006, 02:01:19 AM
Fast forward to college...definitely a different atmosphere, being surrounded by people who have been playing since they were 5.
It is very scary going to university to study for many people because you realise that you are on the bottom of the ladder again. We go through highschool, finally reach our last year, then bang back to the bottom of the ladder, we have to climb up again. Mind you when you leave university again you will be right at the bottom of the ladder trying to make a career for yourself, when you get on top of your career then you are at the bottom again, trying to work out how on earth you live in retirement. So we are always trying to achieve something in our life, it never ends.

At Univeristy you see so many talented people working for their degree, their achievements can blind you, discourage you or make you doubt your chances. I know I felt like this when I studied engineering/computer science, there was this handful of students who knew already how to program and make circuts etc, this was all new for me! I felt inferior, and in univeristies no one is there to help you, you are all on your own, its not like a school with a teacher on yor back making sure you hand this in or that, in the universities they don't care, they will just fail you and take your money if you don't do work.

So you are in university not to compete as you might have done during your school years with your friends. You don't even care what the other students % mark at university, you simply study for yourself, do your best so you can get out of here and start working in the real world armed with a degree.

I have absolutely no interest in learning any of the music I am playing for piano lessons other than the fact that I have to learn them. The pieces I am playing were picked by my teacher. My lessons consist entirely of classical music.
Most of the time you are required to play something set by the teachers when studying music at a school. I hate playing pieces I dont want to learn too, I think everyone does, but thats how you have to play the game at university, to get a piece of paper saying you are a musician who can pass tests. It's stupid I know, but the working world considers this piece of paper important, even though it means nothing musically really, it does mean a lot in other ways since it shows that you have the disipline to work hard for someone. If that is what you think about when you study music you don't like then this is a real goal and a good way to focus your inspirational energy to prove yourself.

I have taught a few univeristy piano student drop outs and to tell you the truth all of these guys/gals play the piano fantastically. But their disipline and speed of work? They find it tough to do things which they don't like doing or they take a extra time to get through their work. This is another sad thing about most music universities around the world, there is a particular learning rate set, deadlines to submit work. But the way in which different people learn especially with music is never taken into account. This really penalises people who learn slowly and they fail at the universities even though they are capable of producing top quality work.

If you took away college and gave me a piano, the music I most enjoy playing is pop and broadway musical. I could sit for hours playing this type of music and would be enjoying every minute of it. But put me back in college and I am told that in order to earn this degree I must play classical music.
It would be easy to say, play what you like next to what you need to study, but usually what you need to study occupies all of your time. You really have to get your priorities right in situations like this and since you are enrolled in a univeristy your number one priority must be to prove yourself as a student who can complete tasks set by the school. It has NOTHING to do with your own enjoyment of music, but you can find enjoyment in all playing I guess, even if the sound has nothing you like, your hands are moving at the keyboard playing patterns that exist in music you do like.

What do I want to do with my life? I'm not sure.....

So I am sitting here wondering why I am unhappy about college. I knew that my lessons would be classical. I don't have a problem with it, only that I like specific things. On a more personal note, I really enjoy playing piano. I have been battling depression since middle school and have found piano to be one of the few things that have helped. I am a very reserved person with basically a few close friends. I have social anxiety which sometimes makes it very hard for me to function. Piano and music revolve around my life and without them there probably wouldn't be much worth living for. That is why I take it so personally.

To the sensitive musician (and I am sure you are one) it can be very troubling to sacrifice music you would like to play to instead play music set by a school. We play the piano because we enjoy to play it, it heals us, it takes us away from the world and we can dream away with the instrument. But now we have to attach playing piano, something we love with some strict form of study. We now must do things with the piano which someone else asks of us, someone else who makes the decisions to what we play. It can feel invasive and very uncomfortable.

But we learn to grow in character by stepping over boundaries and letting ourselves suffer. With depression if we ignore it and try to hide it we get no where. We must admit it is there and it lives with us. You don't cure depression you live with it and learn to control it. Same with music, same with everything in life, you must do things that is out of your comfort zones and you must exist in that plane and learn and grow in it. If we are always comfortable and have nothing that challenges us we learn nothing, we never learn to face problems and solve it, we never accept that we can fail.

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Re: College student with frustration, doubt, etc...
Reply #6 on: March 25, 2006, 12:29:34 AM
There is some very good advice in this thread already, so I will just share my experiences.  I too was at the bottom of the class when I entered university, studying to be a piano major.  It was SO intimidating but I kept to my practice and by the end of it I felt like I was one of the best at the school and that I was a valuable part of the school's music program.  I was 'forced' to spend a lot of time playing saxophone in various ensembles and even took up the bass clarinet and performed a recital with these instruments.  It took from my piano practice time, but I was learning things here too..what it feels like to be a soloist, how to put on a recital and so forth.

Does your university ever put on musicals? At the school I attended music majors were required to participate in some form, whether on stage or in the pit orchestra.  Perhaps you could volunteer to play piano for a school production?  Or you might even get paid for it, who knows!  And earn some respect that way.  It sounds like you deserve a ton of respect already for starting as late as you did, mostly on your own and getting to the level you are at, I am VERY impressed.  Imagine how far you can go in another 3 years!

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Re: College student with frustration, doubt, etc...
Reply #7 on: March 28, 2006, 12:22:24 AM
Just because you love piano, don't feel you should make that a professional career.

Find some renumerative pursuit and qualify for a professional position.

Buy a grand piano and enjoy music to your heart's content.

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